* Eunoia JC (EJC)
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DennisB:
It is not my intention to rub salt into your wounds. I'm just stating some facts.zeemimi:
Aiyah, where the new IP JC is located is really none of my business. I'm just taken back at some of the arguments thrown forth, and some distorted facts.
#1 Mt Sinai is too far away. We've been promised a JC in Bishan.
-> Nothing was officially made known about the location till early 2014. Whatever \"hearsay\" you heard doesn't hold water.
#2 Mt Sinai not enough LTs. / We don't need LTs.
-> Mt Sinai has enough LTs. JCs need LTs.
#3 Cannot walk fr Buona Vista MRT to Mt Sinai site within 10 mins. 20 mins is not acceptable walking time.
-> But i didn't fly nor run to RJC in the morning. Perhaps i have longer legs? Even if it is 15 mins stroll, you mean our youngsters cannot take it?
#4 No sheltered walkway from MRT to school.
-> How many schools in Singapore have sheltered walkway from MRT right up to the door steps? Granted some have, but not every one has.
#5 IT'S THE DISTANCE! (Yes we heard that loud and clear)
-> Yeah MOE advocates distance. But what have parents been telling MOE? That distance doesn't really matter if it is a good reputable school. Look at the students who attend RI. They don't just stay around TP, Bishan, AMK. They stay in Pasir Ris, Jurong, Sengkang, Marine Parade too. And that is the same for HCI / NJC / VJC / DHS. And since this new IP JC is supposedly going to be another top JC, it's supposedly going to attract students from everywhere.
It looks like whatever solutions is implemented / suggested here will not satisfy the parents unless the JC is back in Bishan. Should just name the new JC \"Bishan JC\".
It's here. Really here. Not at the end of Mt Sinai.
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I m an affected parent. Since you are an unaffected parent and do not have full information, please refrain from making unconstructive comments.
The reality is even for the first batch, the Bishan vicinity was communicated . Parents and children have made their decision on distance amongst other factors. Many staying nearby have forgone choices of other top schools.
Now as the forum writer pointed out, there were multiple boo boo by various agencies but these were never admitted to. Parents want a meeting with the decision making authorities but has not been granted a fair audience . Please try to put yourselves in our shoes and don't rub salt into our wounds.
Didn't you say \"Isnt this forum meant for discussion and airing of views. If you are offended by people having different views, then don't contribute to the discussion.\"
When other people air differing views, it becomes \"rubbing salt into the wound\".
Don't make it like you are the first set of parents affected by the relocation of schools. Thousands of parents have experienced them. Some of the students also had no chance to enjoy the new renovated school facilities. The worst hit are the primary school students, half of which are probably too young to take public transport and are at the mercy of the school bus drivers. Here we are talking about JC students, who should be independent enough to take public transport. -
zeemimi:
My honest mistake in an online forum doesn't affect anyone except for my bruised pride but this honest mistake by government agencies resulted in unhappiness and uncertainties as well as significant inconveniences for many students and their parents. Definitely not on the same scale.
Oh there's no big deal. I didn't make a big deal out of it. I merely say you should have first corrected your mistake and not let your mistake circulate lest it becomes fact
I believe it was an honest mistake. So no big deal. Your DH studied there for 2 years. You should have verified the location with him.
If you can make an honest mistake, so can MOE or LTA or URA or anyone. Why make a big deal out of it?
And your latest picture, why have you chosen to end at the furthest end of the school site? The front gate is just diagonally opposite Ghim Moh Pri. The side gate is even nearer. If you are talking about walking distance, students will enter via the side gate. Today, most secondary schools / JCs have implemented access to school via their EZlink card. You don't need a security guard to lock / unlock the gate for the students to enter. As long as it is official hours, they can enter.
I'm just saying i walked within 10 mins fr buona vista mrt to rjc. Fact. Achievable for a 17-18 yo teen. Today maybe slower cos older, back ache, knee pain, and want to avoid having more sunspots, so try to avoid the sun and dust or whatever and would rather detour.
I can't control anybody's walking speed or google map's average walking speed.
As for the new map, it is one junction away as the map can't display the Mt Sinai Road exactly where I want it.
At the end of the day, the affected parents have a set of worries and concerns which bystanders may not share. There is no intention to disparage Mt Sinai as a JC site and there is no need for any heated words between everyone.
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zeemimi:
It is not my intention to rub salt into your wounds. I'm just stating some facts.DennisB:
[quote=\"zeemimi\"]Aiyah, where the new IP JC is located is really none of my business. I'm just taken back at some of the arguments thrown forth, and some distorted facts.
#1 Mt Sinai is too far away. We've been promised a JC in Bishan.
-> Nothing was officially made known about the location till early 2014. Whatever \"hearsay\" you heard doesn't hold water.
#2 Mt Sinai not enough LTs. / We don't need LTs.
-> Mt Sinai has enough LTs. JCs need LTs.
#3 Cannot walk fr Buona Vista MRT to Mt Sinai site within 10 mins. 20 mins is not acceptable walking time.
-> But i didn't fly nor run to RJC in the morning. Perhaps i have longer legs? Even if it is 15 mins stroll, you mean our youngsters cannot take it?
#4 No sheltered walkway from MRT to school.
-> How many schools in Singapore have sheltered walkway from MRT right up to the door steps? Granted some have, but not every one has.
#5 IT'S THE DISTANCE! (Yes we heard that loud and clear)
-> Yeah MOE advocates distance. But what have parents been telling MOE? That distance doesn't really matter if it is a good reputable school. Look at the students who attend RI. They don't just stay around TP, Bishan, AMK. They stay in Pasir Ris, Jurong, Sengkang, Marine Parade too. And that is the same for HCI / NJC / VJC / DHS. And since this new IP JC is supposedly going to be another top JC, it's supposedly going to attract students from everywhere.
It looks like whatever solutions is implemented / suggested here will not satisfy the parents unless the JC is back in Bishan. Should just name the new JC \"Bishan JC\".
It's here. Really here. Not at the end of Mt Sinai.
I m an affected parent. Since you are an unaffected parent and do not have full information, please refrain from making unconstructive comments.
The reality is even for the first batch, the Bishan vicinity was communicated . Parents and children have made their decision on distance amongst other factors. Many staying nearby have forgone choices of other top schools.
Now as the forum writer pointed out, there were multiple boo boo by various agencies but these were never admitted to. Parents want a meeting with the decision making authorities but has not been granted a fair audience . Please try to put yourselves in our shoes and don't rub salt into our wounds.
Didn't you say \"Isnt this forum meant for discussion and airing of views. If you are offended by people having different views, then don't contribute to the discussion.\"
When other people air differing views, it becomes \"rubbing salt into the wound\".
Don't make it like you are the first set of parents affected by the relocation of schools. Thousands of parents have experienced them. Some of the students also had no chance to enjoy the new renovated school facilities. The worst hit are the primary school students, half of which are probably too young to take public transport and are at the mercy of the school bus drivers. Here we are talking about JC students, who should be independent enough to take public transport.[/quote]Don't make light of others' situation and downplay just because you are not affected. -
Jennifer:
Definitely they shouldn't but these entities are still made up of fallible human.
The authorities should not have made this mistake.zeemimi:
If you can make an honest mistake, so can MOE or LTA or URA or anyone. Why make a big deal out of it?
That's why it is a big deal to affected parents and pupils who made their choice based on those information made available then.
I'm not so sure that everything is really due to mistakes. Some look like it is drawing up of new requirements due to changing needs.
In any case, unless we have never made any mistake, give and take. -
zeemimi:
Definitely they shouldn't but these entities are still made up of fallible human. [/quote]One reason why Sg can progress so much compared to its neighbouring countries is our govt able to promise a carrot and give a carrot to foreign investors.
The authorities should not have made this mistake.Jennifer:
[quote=\"zeemimi\"]If you can make an honest mistake, so can MOE or LTA or URA or anyone. Why make a big deal out of it?
That's why it is a big deal to affected parents and pupils who made their choice based on those information made available then.
As individuals, no one can make no mistakes.
But as a team of supposed to be highly qualified individuals, we should not expect no mistakes?
This would be dangerous thinking for a nation and not remembering our founding fathers in a respectful manner.
Btw, I am not concerned about the temp site at Mt.Sinai. A little more inconvenience perhaps, but not cannot get around the logisitics. -
Well said Jennifer ! We are dealing with A levels students who are future scholars and civil servants , how this case is explained and the project executed will have an impact on them.
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DennisB:
zeemimi:
Aiyah, where the new IP JC is located is really none of my business. I'm just taken back at some of the arguments thrown forth, and some distorted facts.
#1 Mt Sinai is too far away. We've been promised a JC in Bishan.
-> Nothing was officially made known about the location till early 2014. Whatever \"hearsay\" you heard doesn't hold water.
#2 Mt Sinai not enough LTs. / We don't need LTs.
-> Mt Sinai has enough LTs. JCs need LTs.
#3 Cannot walk fr Buona Vista MRT to Mt Sinai site within 10 mins. 20 mins is not acceptable walking time.
-> But i didn't fly nor run to RJC in the morning. Perhaps i have longer legs? Even if it is 15 mins stroll, you mean our youngsters cannot take it?
#4 No sheltered walkway from MRT to school.
-> How many schools in Singapore have sheltered walkway from MRT right up to the door steps? Granted some have, but not every one has.
#5 IT'S THE DISTANCE! (Yes we heard that loud and clear)
-> Yeah MOE advocates distance. But what have parents been telling MOE? That distance doesn't really matter if it is a good reputable school. Look at the students who attend RI. They don't just stay around TP, Bishan, AMK. They stay in Pasir Ris, Jurong, Sengkang, Marine Parade too. And that is the same for HCI / NJC / VJC / DHS. And since this new IP JC is supposedly going to be another top JC, it's supposedly going to attract students from everywhere.
It looks like whatever solutions is implemented / suggested here will not satisfy the parents unless the JC is back in Bishan. Should just name the new JC \"Bishan JC\".
It's here. Really here. Not at the end of Mt Sinai.
I m an affected parent. Since you are an unaffected parent and do not have full information, please refrain from making unconstructive comments.
The reality is even for the first batch, the Bishan vicinity was communicated . Parents and children have made their decision on distance amongst other factors. Many staying nearby have forgone choices of other top schools.
Now as the forum writer pointed out, there were multiple boo boo by various agencies but these were never admitted to. Parents want a meeting with the decision making authorities but has not been granted a fair audience . Please try to put yourselves in our shoes and don't rub salt into our wounds.
Agreed with you. For those who are not affected, it is really none of their business -
since pioneering batch are Sec 3 this year : those who intend to convert from IP to "O" level can do so this year (about half a year left, for this year) else not enough time to prepare, sit for next year 2016 "O" level. "O" level syllabus also heavy, need time to prepare. Then with the results, can enter a wider range of JCs, no need go Mount Sinai anymore.
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lee_yl:
Since you are not an affected parent, I suppose you will see things differently and will not feel the disappointment and concerns. It is like a Malaysian telling us that the large foreigner population in Singapore is not a major issue whereas we may beg to differ.zeemimi:
Aiyah, where the new IP JC is located is really none of my business. I'm just taken back at some of the arguments thrown forth, and some distorted facts.
#1 Mt Sinai is too far away. We've been promised a JC in Bishan.
-> Nothing was officially made known about the location till early 2014. Whatever \"hearsay\" you heard doesn't hold water.
#2 Mt Sinai not enough LTs. / We don't need LTs.
-> Mt Sinai has enough LTs. JCs need LTs.
#3 Cannot walk fr Buona Vista MRT to Mt Sinai site within 10 mins. 20 mins is not acceptable walking time.
-> But i didn't fly nor run to RJC in the morning. Perhaps i have longer legs? Even if it is 15 mins stroll, you mean our youngsters cannot take it?
#4 No sheltered walkway from MRT to school.
-> How many schools in Singapore have sheltered walkway from MRT right up to the door steps? Granted some have, but not every one has.
#5 IT'S THE DISTANCE! (Yes we heard that loud and clear)
-> Yeah MOE advocates distance. But what have parents been telling MOE? That distance doesn't really matter if it is a good reputable school. Look at the students who attend RI. They don't just stay around TP, Bishan, AMK. They stay in Pasir Ris, Jurong, Sengkang, Marine Parade too. And that is the same for HCI / NJC / VJC / DHS. And since this new IP JC is supposedly going to be another top JC, it's supposedly going to attract students from everywhere.
It looks like whatever solutions is implemented / suggested here will not satisfy the parents unless the JC is back in Bishan. Should just name the new JC \"Bishan JC\".
It is already a huge challenge to develop a new JC and now with all these uncertainties, it takes a leap of faith and confidence to join the new IP JC. My children are in one of the feeder schools and they like their school tremendously. I am torn between choosing the new JC and a more established IP JC.
Agreed. Those not affected are not in our shoes. They think they know it all -
Jennifer:
We are not talking about 1 mistake. But mistake after mistake..
The authorities should not have made this mistake.zeemimi:
If you can make an honest mistake, so can MOE or LTA or URA or anyone. Why make a big deal out of it?
That's why it is a big deal to affected parents and pupils who made their choice based on those information made available then.
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