* Eunoia JC (EJC)
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sushi88:
Good post. Yes we are taxpayers and hence stakeholders in this issue and questioning if this is an oversight of any party is deemed reasonable.
Yes I agree they are not young children but..mashy:
These aren't young children anymore. The parents should simply take a step back and let their kids grow in this. If the kids themselves don't like the idea, they will organize something to voice it out. No point having the parents make a hoo ha over it. They are 17-18 years old elites. If they still need to be led by the nose at this age, their education has gone to waste. It will just appear silly if it gets to the media. I can assure you the feedback from the general public will be nasty. For the sake of your children, it's best to keep this down among the parents.
The affected students are currently 15 years old(not 17-18) and in the midst of their mid year exams. I have been thinking the past few days if the parents or the students should be involved. My conclusion is both. Students can continue to give feedback to the schools after their exam on the issue in a mature way and parents can directly feedback to the authorities.
I am personally unaffected by this but I can see why they are frustrated. I suppose some parents who voiced out with heavy words and wrong rationale may spark off some discussion. But let not that noise overshadow some genuine and valid concerns. Stay quiet and you will hear the real sounds.
Also, for us unaffected, why are we so frustrated unless as taxpayers we are affected? Then I would say the Mt Sinai site will dig more into our pockets than the Bishan ITE site considering the amount of work they have to do to the Mt Sinai site. So assuming we look at it from the angle of a stakeholder, we should support them to try to find a better solution.
From reading the comments of the petition, I am also puzzled why after 5 years there is no name for the new jc. It is like you are 5 years old and your parents have not named you, a simple act can show their efforts and support put in you.
I was affected way back in 1987 having to move to Woodlands for my jc but there was no doubts no complaints then. However, my ex schoolmates who are parents of the affected IP kids now are the ones seeking for the accountability and missing links in this whole saga. If it is not solved and clarified, further delays and waste of taxpayers' money is foreseeable. -
sinoboy:
Good question you ask. The Mt Sinai track and field is completely in a wash-out state at this point of time. It is major work to redo the track and field which was why it was left untouched when the primary schools needed to occupy them, firstly, more time more money and not so required by primary schools. Having said this, ANY SCHOOL without a field for kids to run freely is quite a torture for the highly energised people. They ended running in the hall or gym, only indoor running with a lot of boundaries.
I don't see how taxpayers will be badly affected by this. :scratchhead: Mt Senai is the cheapest solution if you compare asking SJI to vacate early and let Bishan JC move in. There will be duplicate retrofitting and moving. But Bishan JC move into Mt Senai only one retrofitting and moving is needed.sushi88:
Also, for us unaffected, why are we so frustrated unless as taxpayers we are affected? Then I would say the Mt Sinai site will dig more into our pockets than the Bishan ITE site considering the amount of work they have to do to the Mt Sinai site. So assuming we look at it from the angle of a stakeholder, we should support them to try to find a better solution.
Regarding Mt Senai shuttle bus issue, it should only badly affect a small group of current batch students perhaps those living in Bishan or AMK area who is expecting to walk to take a short distance bus to the Bishan campus. Most SC are chauffeured to school so I don't think they'll complain that much.
I think the issue is to ask the authorities concern to admit and rectify their mistake and let the affected Bishan JC students transfer to another IP school prefably in Bishan vicinity? Because other solutions like asking LTA or SJI to change plan is unrealistically unrealistic? :scratchhead:
No double retrofitting, SJI should move back to own campus and if really need to go Mt Sinai, what RGPS vacate for them should be good enough if it is just a short stay. Does Bishan ITE need retrofitting?
I am not sure about asking SJI to speed up their task at hand is unrealistic. Any details on that?
As for transfer to other IP schools, that is definitely not feasible as the implications are even more complex than logistical ones. -
lee_yl:
Wah I didn't realize Tg Rhu, Marine Parade, Anderson Road are all in Bukit Timah. Must be GE coming they redraw the boundary again
I said most, I didn't say all top schools. Those schools you quoted: HCI, NYGH, NJC, VJC, Dunman High, Anderson..... Isn't it true the cream of the cream are indeed all along Bukit Timah? -
jetsetter:
:rotflmao: for a moment, I thought Senai in Malaysiasinoboy:
Mt Senai
It's Mount Sinai, Sinoboy:)
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cherryc:
Good post. Yes we are taxpayers and hence stakeholders in this issue and questioning if this is an oversight of any party is deemed reasonable.
Yes I agree they are not young children but..sushi88:
[quote=\"mashy\"]
These aren't young children anymore. The parents should simply take a step back and let their kids grow in this. If the kids themselves don't like the idea, they will organize something to voice it out. No point having the parents make a hoo ha over it. They are 17-18 years old elites. If they still need to be led by the nose at this age, their education has gone to waste. It will just appear silly if it gets to the media. I can assure you the feedback from the general public will be nasty. For the sake of your children, it's best to keep this down among the parents.
The affected students are currently 15 years old(not 17-18) and in the midst of their mid year exams. I have been thinking the past few days if the parents or the students should be involved. My conclusion is both. Students can continue to give feedback to the schools after their exam on the issue in a mature way and parents can directly feedback to the authorities.
I am personally unaffected by this but I can see why they are frustrated. I suppose some parents who voiced out with heavy words and wrong rationale may spark off some discussion. But let not that noise overshadow some genuine and valid concerns. Stay quiet and you will hear the real sounds.
Also, for us unaffected, why are we so frustrated unless as taxpayers we are affected? Then I would say the Mt Sinai site will dig more into our pockets than the Bishan ITE site considering the amount of work they have to do to the Mt Sinai site. So assuming we look at it from the angle of a stakeholder, we should support them to try to find a better solution.
From reading the comments of the petition, I am also puzzled why after 5 years there is no name for the new jc. It is like you are 5 years old and your parents have not named you, a simple act can show their efforts and support put in you.
I was affected way back in 1987 having to move to Woodlands for my jc but there was no doubts no complaints then. However, my ex schoolmates who are parents of the affected IP kids now are the ones seeking for the accountability and missing links in this whole saga. If it is not solved and clarified, further delays and waste of taxpayers' money is foreseeable.[/quote]Let's not mix this with the other issue that is causing anxiety among parents. Anyway the analogy is not correct - the JC is still in the gestation period, it's not yet there so lets not compare it that way. It would only justify not having a name. -
cherryc:
Maybe the size of the cohort has shrunk and the demand decreased over the years? Now it's much easier to go to overseas uni via IB or ITE then Poly. So maybe there is no need to spend additional taxpayers money to build another JC? Just merge into existing smaller IP like TJC or become IP track for JC without IP track like CJC. If going to be merged then no need a name for the Bishan JC right? :scratchhead:
From reading the comments of the petition, I am also puzzled why after 5 years there is no name for the new jc. It is like you are 5 years old and your parents have not named you, a simple act can show their efforts and support put in you. -
sushi88:
Good question you ask. The Mt Sinai track and field is completely in a wash-out state at this point of time. It is major work to redo the track and field which was why it was left untouched when the primary schools needed to occupy them, firstly, more time more money and not so required by primary schools. Having said this, ANY SCHOOL without a field for kids to run freely is quite a torture for the highly energised people. They ended running in the hall or gym, only indoor running with a lot of boundaries.
I don't see how taxpayers will be badly affected by this. :scratchhead: Mt Senai is the cheapest solution if you compare asking SJI to vacate early and let Bishan JC move in. There will be duplicate retrofitting and moving. But Bishan JC move into Mt Senai only one retrofitting and moving is needed.sinoboy:
[quote=\"sushi88\"]
Also, for us unaffected, why are we so frustrated unless as taxpayers we are affected? Then I would say the Mt Sinai site will dig more into our pockets than the Bishan ITE site considering the amount of work they have to do to the Mt Sinai site. So assuming we look at it from the angle of a stakeholder, we should support them to try to find a better solution.
Regarding Mt Senai shuttle bus issue, it should only badly affect a small group of current batch students perhaps those living in Bishan or AMK area who is expecting to walk to take a short distance bus to the Bishan campus. Most SC are chauffeured to school so I don't think they'll complain that much.
I think the issue is to ask the authorities concern to admit and rectify their mistake and let the affected Bishan JC students transfer to another IP school prefably in Bishan vicinity? Because other solutions like asking LTA or SJI to change plan is unrealistically unrealistic? :scratchhead:
No double retrofitting, SJI should move back to own campus and if really need to go Mt Sinai, what RGPS vacate for them should be good enough if it is just a short stay. Does Bishan ITE need retrofitting?
I am not sure about asking SJI to speed up their task at hand is unrealistic. Any details on that?
As for transfer to other IP schools, that is definitely not feasible as the implications are even more complex than logistical ones.[/quote]
They will refurbished the school to the standard suited for a jC but subsequently will there be another JC using it ?As a taxpayer, we should know the cost.
Our time is different, we can sit whole day in a bus from places to places. You can try taking a train and go cross-country at peak hour when you were promised the sky and not knowing exactly what went wrong is a different story. -
25HMOM:
Or relocate to Oxford or Cambridge or Boston or NYC if their kids get into those uni there
I do not read the above explanation, ideas and proposals in the e-petition. The latter gives me an impression of expediting the completion of the new JC building so that their kids could enjoy the state of the arts new facilities besides convenience of travel, of course. This is solely my personal interpretation. :xedfingers:
For those who have relocated to Bishan, I am sure most of the affected pupils are from CHS and by then, they would have enjoyed 4 years of residing near their sec sch. Not all effort are wasted.
After 2 years in JC, the families will probably have to relocate again if they wish to enrol in NUS, NTU or SUTD if convenience is their top priority. -
zbear:
Honestly, it's tough to leverage on this and hold the ruling party to ransom. Why? Not all affected kids live in the same GRC. Their parents (i.e. eligible voters) are scattered across different GRCs. Very different from 500 families consolidated in Rochor or pte property owners in Serangoon Gardens who live in the same precinct. We already know some kids live near Ghim Moh.pirated:
No use always using GE to threaten the govt
So ok 500 parents vote for opposition spread out in a few GRC?
How to use this to threaten the govt? Its just taking advantage of the right timing.
Those parents who are in LHL's constituency can be representative of this group to make your voice known. Afterall, didn't all of you say to meet LHL for help? Why is the Opposition Party getting involved here? Pls explain to an innocent, straightforward, simple mind like mine?
But aggrieved parents could seek a Voice to help raise this upfront in Parliament, so that the Minister of Transport or Education is obliged to respond directly to written or oral questions fielded by that Voice representing your cause. The 30 April letter isn't \"high-level\" at all, though someone here thought it is. -
jetsetter:
You agree right?
Haha, ss88...I've been waiting whole week for someone to say this. I wrote a post on this to question the authorities, but I deleted it as I didn't want to add salt and pepper...\"Extensive rejuvenation\" - hmmm...sushi88:
Also, for us unaffected, why are we so frustrated unless as taxpayers we are affected? Then I would say the Mt Sinai site will dig more into our pockets than the Bishan ITE site considering the amount of work they have to do to the Mt Sinai site. So assuming we look at it from the angle of a stakeholder, we should support them to try to find a better solution.
Actually putting the 3 schools in Mt Sinai is going to cost the government more in retrofitting cost. So if they need to do that, I actually have a fear hence stronger empathy. :siam:
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