* Nanyang JC (NYJC)

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NYJC did not published its A level achievements on its website for as long as I could remember.

How did it become popular?
Because people are attracted to this JC by other factors although the traditional strategy is to attract through results.
NYJC’s results will automatically improve by the quality of its intake over time.
There is no need to deny that NYJC results are not at par with other upper mid-tier JCs at present.
Obviously, NYJC results are far off from the top JCs now despite its present COP.
We all know the reasons now.
No need heated debates.
Let’s bless all our children with good performances in whichever JCs they are in.

[25HMOM]

mindays:

2.) Define little. 1 to 2 is little? Why bother counting in decimals then? I am sure that the diff between RI and HCIs' UAS is 0.2. You may want to think before you type. It is not making a mountain out of a molehill...80+ to 81 is similar? You may not think that it is significant. This Is the shortfall of your side. Let me tell you that it is indeed significant enough to differentiate the academic standards of the colleges, especially when the UAS is above 80. Well, let me give you an analogy. It is harder to score 95 from 94 marks in an exam as compared to scoring 75 from 74. It requires more effort. Hence, every decimal in UAS counts. Don't ever look down on it!

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Show me the difference in grades for 2 students who obtained UAP 80 and UAP 81 based on above table to substantiate your stance. Don't compare UAP 80 with 90.

[25HMOM]

mindays:

I have interest in ALL JCs, not just NY. Seeing how hard you try to defend yourself really pains me. I shall limit my words of pointed glasses, to prevent you from being in gashes.

OK, I do agree with you that TJC and maybe ACJC are more established in terms of results in the recent past. I don't deny these perception. What I can tell is that TJ is dwindling. Being established and being current makes a lot of difference. A JC life is approx. 2 years. When choosing a JC, you look at the PRESENT, not the PAST. It is what the college can provide you for the short and hectic 2 years. And to reason out, NYJC's glory and achievement are not something that came so sudden! (5 years back). It has witnessed many batches, each with improvement of quality and results, being successful. NY is established in a sense too. The COP is below 10 for science since 2011's JAE. Before that, it hovered around 10 to 11 (about the same as 2016's MJC and CJC).

Go to ACJC and TJC official websites, or already attached by someone earlier, to see for yourself the current 'improved' and 'sustained quality' declaration by both JC leaders.
How about NYJC? Nothing is being revealed officially.

If a parent or student wishes to make a decision, so you will tell her : there's nothing to compare; it's wrong to compare others indicative results with NYJC because all people here are untrustworthy; just choose NYJC (blindly)?

Seeing how hard you try to defend NYJC really pains me. I shall limit my words of burning fire, to prevent you from turning into ashes.

[25HMOM]

mindays:

NY has seen gradual improvement in L1R5 score (6 (Science) in 2016's JAE). Why the drop? It must be the proven and credible records that NY has produced over the years. Scorers of AT LEAST a minimum 8 RAW L1r5 score are believed to be rational and to have enough sense to do their due diligence and homework before deciding on a JC. They chose NY out of the 19JCs (not including SJI and ACS(I)) because they trust NY. They believe in NY. They know their potential in NY. I would wish to continue further but time does not permit.

Everyone is aware that NYJC improvement in COP is not due to its proven and credible record but due to its environment such as jc culture, flexibility and the father-figure Principal it has. These are feedback from the seniors of NYJC. You are so ill-informed and yet made such a big hoo-haa here. Joke of the millenium indeed.

Furthermore, how does one do his homework if NYJC is not publishing their academic achievements? It is through us forummers who take the pain to gather as much facts as possible to lay on the table.
We are not forcing anyone to accept our opinions as our target audience are 'scorers of AT LEAST a minimum 8 RAW L1r5 score are believed to be rational and to have enough sense to do their due diligence and homework before deciding on a JC', mind you, mindays. Think before you leap.

P/s: There are 10 pointers in NYJC currently too

[mookata]

You guys need to chill.


Seriously? Arguing and ranking JCs over who has a UAP of 80 or 81? Does this really matter in the bigger picture? Does going to a jc with an 81 mean UAP guarantee a higher chance of success in As over one with a mean of 80? Did you know a difference of one point is not even worth one H1 grade difference in the range of A to E?

I think we can all agree that the three JCs mentioned in the past few posts (ny, tj, ac) are all good schools that do their best to push their students. The same goes for every JC as well.

The mean UAP of a school, even if it may affect your perception of the school's standards, should not affect your child's potential when it comes to scoring for As!

Comparing JCs, right down to the decimal point, to numbers next to each other, to a value added award which hasn't even exist for years is downright inane as well as unnecessary.

You want your child to excel? That shining mean UAP of your choice institution you chose based on that UAP isn't going to mean anything more than 'oh look, the students in our school all came in with lower COP than the others wow we're so good!'

[Chip n Dale]

25MOM, ParkYuni, please leave this NYJC Forum.

You have presented your views. So just leave.
Both of you are creating havoc in here. People reading these forum can see both of you are out to debate pertaining to any NYJC stuff.
What’s that got to do with both of you.
Can both of you don’t be afraid potential students will be sway after reading the formation given here.
matured parents and even students have the clear mind to be able to decide which JC to choose.
Both of you please dont be scare they choose wrongly and get cheated into a JC not worth.
Parents and students can go Open House, find out from seniors etc.
both of you always appear in the same Forum.
Very scare of both of you too.
As parents, we should not be behaving this way. Even if you think its wrong to state this or that with or w/out facts, its all right lah.
Still cannot be so fierce.
So just leave, please.
I won’t reply to any of you.

[roborovski]

Chip n Dale:

25MOM, ParkYuni, please leave this NYJC Forum.

You have presented your views. So just leave.
Both of you are creating havoc in here. People reading these forum can see both of you are out to debate pertaining to any NYJC stuff.
What's that got to do with both of you.
Can both of you don't be afraid potential students will be sway after reading the formation given here.
matured parents and even students have the clear mind to be able to decide which JC to choose.
Both of you please dont be scare they choose wrongly and get cheated into a JC not worth.
Parents and students can go Open House, find out from seniors etc.
both of you always appear in the same Forum.
Very scare of both of you too.
As parents, we should not be behaving this way. Even if you think its wrong to state this or that with or w/out facts, its all right lah.
Still cannot be so fierce.
So just leave, please.
I won't reply to any of you.

There are 2 types of debaters here:

Type 1: Those who are safeguarding the COP of NYJC and fearful that any information detrimental to NYJC may decrease its chance of further escalating up its ranking ladder. They are enjoying its success and do not wish to see its success being shattered by their competitors. They will try to silence its competitors and shoo away unwelcomed guests. They may also be people who do not like ACJC & TJC & are using NYJC to beat these JCs.

Type 2: Those who feel that NYJC improved COP is not justifiable and will affect ACJC & TJC rankings in the future which they have an interest in. They want others to learn more about NYJC as compared with other JCs and make comparisons and hence better decisions.

I won't say they are immatured parents but they are cleverly working their ways out to satisfy their personal agenda.

Hence I won't interfere with arguments like these. Leave the forum if you genuinely do not have any interest in it. I am doing so now.
:siam:

[ParkYuni]

Chip n Dale:

25MOM, ParkYuni, please leave this NYJC Forum.

You have presented your views. So just leave.
Both of you are creating havoc in here. People reading these forum can see both of you are out to debate pertaining to any NYJC stuff.
What's that got to do with both of you.
Can both of you don't be afraid potential students will be sway after reading the formation given here.
matured parents and even students have the clear mind to be able to decide which JC to choose.
Both of you please dont be scare they choose wrongly and get cheated into a JC not worth.
Parents and students can go Open House, find out from seniors etc.
both of you always appear in the same Forum.
Very scare of both of you too.
As parents, we should not be behaving this way. Even if you think its wrong to state this or that with or w/out facts, its all right lah.
Still cannot be so fierce.
So just leave, please.
I won't reply to any of you.

Oh Chip N Dale, you are back in action. I knew that when Crester leave, you will take over for obvious reasons. Both of you will not appear together here but in SNGS's thread in the past.
Presently, Crester is being used to promote NYJC in SNGS thread. Nothing wrong to sell it to your DD's juniors and it's noble to spread good news.

Didn't you say you visited VJC with your DD? So are you feeling very bitter now that you had not chosen VJC over NYJC as the latter's results were a disappointment to your belief of its superior 'value-addedness'?
Well, all is not lost because NYJC has many other plus points that are worth considering when making a choice. Please do not be afraid that our sharing of other JCs stats will affect NYJC's ranking.
We are debating as we had been challenged to debate by mindays.
Aren't you doing the same by trying to oust us so that others won't sway in their decisions?
Didn't you, aka Crester, tried desperately to rank NYJC above ACJC & TJC. See who's calling another immatured and as a parent, you should not display such kiasu example to your DD.

You should advise mindays not to be so fierce as an action will only result in a reaction. Get your facts right.

[KTKS]

mindays:

25HMOM:

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Thank you for sharing. For sure there are many parents who like their kids jcs to be flexible although I am an exception.

I was just a little disappointed as I had expected NYJC results to be better and closer to VJC based on its recent COP:

2014 COP of JC for 2015 JC1 admission:
NYJC (7/8) VJC (5/6) ACJC (6/7) TJC (7/8)

2015 COP of JC for 2016 JC1 admission:
NYJC(6/7) VJC (5/6) ACJC (7/7) TJC (9/9)


However, 2015 A level results are similar between NYJC, ACJC and TJC but all differ much from that of VJC.

I agree that there is no difference between the standards of teaching for nyjc, acjc and tjc.

Due to the latest cop of 6, 7 and 9 for nyjc, acjc and tjc science stream, respectively, speculation has it that nyjc has higher value-added into its jc and hence its surge in popularity. Now it is proven to be untrue.

I would like to add that the batch of 2015 'A' Level graduates are students who were from:

2013 COP of JC for 2014 JC1 Admission


It is clearly not 2014 COP of JC for 2015 JC1 admission
Please do not create unnecessary confusion that misleads other people.[/quote]I apologise for my blunder in providing the 2014 COPS instead of 2013's that had sparked the misunderstandings and debates in this thread. I have no intention to mislead others.

NYJC has many good points worth considering but I am a practical person who is result-orientated and also the jc's environment must be a good fit for my ds. I will be monitoring this jc and some others for ds.

Imho, by collecting more info does help one in making better decision so I am selfishly thankful for the debates here that have benefited me and widen my perspectives of things.

However, I wish they can be conveyed more amicably.

Thank you, everyone.

[mindays]

ParkYuni:

2013 cop for 2014 jc1 admission to:

nyjc - 8/8
acjc - 6/7
tjc - 7/7

2015 cop for 2016 jc1 admission to :
nyjc - 6/7
acjc - 7/7
tjc - 9/9

A level classes of 2013 batch UAP results:
nyjc - 81 (someone said cannot report that it could be 80.xx, must be whole number as per P)
acjc - 81.9 (a supporter of nyjc said cannot be true, it was hearsay 80 only, whole number)
tjc - around 80 (someone suggested must be 80, not 80.xx or 81, must ignore the word around)

Hence the 3 jcs results differ very greatly in uap and A level results, as someone who declared to be fair and objective suggested and the forummer who said they are similar must apologise to public for misleading. :yikes:
and the same person thinks that the one who downplayed acjc and tjc results need not apologise for misleading. :evil:

Speculation has it that nyjc has continued to achieve sustained high value-addedness that is the main reason for its improvement of cop. However, ex-nyjc pupils attributed this improvement in cop to other factors other than its academic achievements.

Some people just refused to accept that nyjc popularity is NOT due solely to its academic results.

And SOME people do not understand the intention of my post. It is of great regrets that we have a fellow here. To the other people who are reading this thread, maintain your objectivity and judge for yourself. Am I trying to downplay any JCs? Have I ever said that NYJC's popularity is not due solely to its academic results? So you see, the power of our dear forummer's interpretation of posts. This is what I mean by substandard views that confuse the population at KP.

Show me the evidence and quote, if otherwise.