Compare RGS vs NYGH
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678Yess:
May I know what kinda diversity can she offer if she was given CO? Sorry, I kept seeing this word but character and t-score mentioned.\"Everything happens for a reason.\"
Now, I see, what is NYGH all about and its supporter for the school and how people would embrace \"diversity\" while not speak up for those that are not treating fairly. The ideology of \"diversity\" without purposeful fairness is dangerous. Nygh should not assume or estimate or predict how each applicant going to perform during PSLE. For those who has shown consistent work before PSLE should be treated equality as anyone else. For every applicant is serious about their application, took their time and effort to admit to the school. Nygh should not turn down someone based on their PSLE prediction, or any other kind of unspoken preferences and treat each applicant with different lens. For every applicant should be weighed based on the same criteria if the applicants applied in the same category. Although what NYGH and RGS do their DSA will not affect me anymore as I don't any DD will be applying. I hope all applicants can be treated fairly, seriously, equally based on some very just criteria.
BTW, would she have taken up the CO if she was offered? -
Song22:
I think GEP and SMOP gold can be exempted from GAT the past few years.
I thought so too.
For this group of students who applied under academic domain, have been invited for the tea session and with no formal written tests given, I believe the school doesn't doubt their academic ability at all!
But obviously, they can't give the CO to all of them and the tea session is where the school evaluates other factors to help them sieve out who they think are the most deserving ones. -
Schools have every right to set their own criteria to choose the (types of) students they want during DSA. Who are we to criticise the schools’ judgement, just coz our kids were not selected ?
If the gal was really passionate about joining NYGH, she could have applied to NYGH again with her outstanding PSLE results. Did she ? I presume she did not. Either she was not extremely passionate about NYGH, or she bore a grudge against NYGH for rejecting her during DSA. Either reason, NYGH was not too wrong about not offering her a CO afterall.
Just to share… My niece was not from NYPS. She was also not from GEP. She was not even served burgers and/or drinks during her interview. BUT she was offered CO from NYGH.
My niece was very passionate about NYGH. She said she would apply to NYGH again with her PSLE results, if she did not receive CO from NYGH during DSA. Perhaps, that was the kind of passion & commitment that Mdm Heng was looking for, when she was selecting her students during DSA. You might not think that is a ‘fair’ criteria, but what is ‘fair’ to you might not be ‘fair’ to others too.
With an impressive t-score of 275, the gal should be settling happily in another excellent school now. It is always the adults who cannot let it go, not the kids. -
Actually the problem is very simple.
For a much-desired school like NYGH, they recruit kids with general academic/leadership would be subjected to many ??? on their selection criteria because it is not objective enough for the meritocratic believers. NYGH is unique and has a need to cherry-pick academic general because they have a pool of affiliation kids which they need to balance, so you cannot blame them, they indeed need diversity. The other need for diversity is because the SAP flavour naturally remove diverse nationalities from the school so if they come across a foreign-looking candidate applying in DSA, that candidate definitely can bring about diversity. I am merely stating factually NYGH’s dilemma to balance that diversity of affiliation and SAP.
The higher we go in competition, the more meritocracy is expected of any selection process because people who want to compete at this level would want to understand expectations and criteria. So if one applies to general academic/leadership, one should expect a "runway" approach to select candidates that no one can understand except to allude it to the judges’ thoughts. If you have no pan-asian look or any look that is different from Chinese, it is hard to make it at the "runway" uniquely. What objective tests can be set for such a general category I ask you?
Though we cannot blame the candidate for feeling frustrated, the candidate with "character award" should not behave in a out-of- character way and find this a big blow to her ego. She should accept it as (a)their need for diversty due to affiliation and SAP (b)the category that she chose, general academic and that "general" leads to no where in other words. Sometimes when a school does not take her, it might be her lucky star due to misfit. The fact that she can feel so miffed over one DSA process, she would probably suffer even more of this kind of culture when she enters the school. So count herself lucky instead of brooding.
On the other hand, to me, there is also nothing wrong in how NYGH wants to execute their DSA because it is her rights to meet her school’s needs, "runway" approach may serve their purpose and when they want to break away from traditions, they would do so in their own timing. -
lego:
You might not think that is a 'fair' criteria, but what is 'fair' to you might not be 'fair' to others too.
This is very true. In fact, this is akin to getting employed to a company of your choice.
For example, applicants for SIA Cadet Pilot Intake has to go through 5 stages of selection process, and it ends with the final interview with the top management aka the Tea Party.
They did not explicitly state what they are looking for in the interview but I believe like most interviews, they would like to see if you are a \"good fit\". So this again, is subjective. Even if you are extremely good in air craft knowledge and show great aptitude in flying, they might not consider you. Further, SIA will not entertain applicants who have gone through the final interview but got rejected. (\"Candidates who have attended our final interviews previously need not apply.\")
Many other companies also practice informal interviews to gauge their applicants in terms of their way in holding a good conversation, how they behave in social settings, etc.
So life's like this, when a door closes, a window opens. I am sure each of us has its own place that allows us to shine, especially so for a bright girl with a score of 275.
Note: I am in no way affiliated to RGS, NYGH, or SIA. -
[quote]With an impressive t-score of 275, the gal should be settling happily in another excellent school now. It is always the adults who cannot let it go, not the kids.[/quote]
If this girl is doing well and happy in RGS or any other excellent school, shouldn't she thank NYGH for rejecting her?
Is like a blessing in disguise, when one door closes, another one opens.
If her parent has positive mindset, why not think, NYGH had lost a talented person whereas the current school has gained?
It sounded like the school this girl loved so much had hurt her as much too.
However, if the love is so deep, and she's confident she's academically strong, why not wait for her T-score to gain entry? I have heard of many girls who were not successful in their DSA to their dream school used their T-score to enter, to fulfil their own dreams. -
marmalade:
I think you misquoted. It was written by iFirefly, not me.lego:
You might not think that is a 'fair' criteria, but what is 'fair' to you might not be 'fair' to others too.
This is very true. In fact, this is akin to getting employed to a company of your choice.
For example, applicants for SIA Cadet Pilot Intake has to go through 5 stages of selection process, and it ends with the final interview with the top management aka the Tea Party.
They did not explicitly state what they are looking for in the interview but I believe like most interviews, they would like to see if you are a \"good fit\". So this again, is subjective. Even if you are extremely good in air craft knowledge and show great aptitude in flying, they might not consider you. Further, SIA will not entertain applicants who have gone through the final interview but got rejected. (\"Candidates who have attended our final interviews previously need not apply.\")
Many other companies also practice informal interviews to gauge their applicants in terms of their way in holding a good conversation, how they behave in social settings, etc.
So life's like this, when a door closes, a window opens. I am sure each of us has its own place that allows us to shine, especially so for a bright girl with a score of 275.
Note: I am in no way affiliated to RGS, NYGH, or SIA.
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lego:
I think you misquoted. It was written by iFirefly, not me.
Ops sorry. :oops: -
SIA example of selecting pilot shows how serious a selection should be done.
DSA via academic is not about applying a job. It is a young girl seeking to enter a school with oustanding or rise from above talent, according to MOE. Ministry never mentioned school has the authority, under the categories of "diversity", reject someone without a fair judgement. If "diversity" is a catagories, then, nygh should start to take in many form of "diversity" such as special needs child, students with different MT, or take in boys durind DSA…Why should nygh discrimate some students, eventhough they are more
talented than some, reject them just because there are too many students from the same school applying it.
If diversity is a problem, then, SAP is a problem for nygh. Affiliation is a problem for nygh.
Why embrace a policy to isolate yourself, then, at the expense of the fairness to some of the applicants. What kind of value is this? -
678Yess:
What's fair to you is unfair to others. Period.SIA example of selecting pilot shows how serious a selection should be done.
DSA via academic is not about applying a job. It is a young girl seeking to enter a school with oustanding or rise from above talent, according to MOE. Ministry never mentioned school has the authority, under the categories of \"diversity\", reject someone without a fair judgement. If \"diversity\" is a catagories, then, nygh should start to take in many form of \"diversity\" such as special needs child, students with different MT, or take in boys durind DSA...Why should nygh discrimate some students, eventhough they are more
talented than some, reject them just because there are too many students from the same school applying it.
If diversity is a problem, then, SAP is a problem for nygh. Affiliation is a problem for nygh.
Why embrace a policy to isolate yourself, then, at the expense of the fairness to some of the applicants. What kind of value is this?
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