Compare RGS vs NYGH
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But if NYPS were to become a full girls’ school (no more co-ed), then will become another school like SCGS, MGS
full girls’ school means the boys cannot study in NYPS, anymore
however, is it feasible for NYPS to turn into a full girls’ school ?
due to the existence of GEP programme (P4 to P6) : unlikely, as GEP admit co-ed students -
phtthp:
Why not? ACPS and RGPS are all single sex school that run the GEP program. Well, if it is a full girls school, there will probably more girls will move on to NYGH and lesser space for others.But if NYPS were to become a full girls' school (no more co-ed), then will become another school like SCGS, MGS
full girls' school means the boys cannot study in NYPS, anymore
however, is it feasible for NYPS to turn into a full girls' school ?
due to the existence of GEP programme (P4 to P6) : unlikely, as GEP admit co-ed students -
678yess:
1. You're not the parent of that 275-scorer, and you're alleging that the P and school had been unfair. May I know whether your DD was rejected by NYGH too, though you mentioned she had RGS CO thru Eng domain?
2. This girl you're sticking your neck out for. Was she a GEPer or MSer? You said she had more talents than others. Did she have other outstanding non-academic talents, besides that Character Award and excellent general academic results? And may I know whether she was from NYPS, your DD's former school in the NE, or neighbourhood schools? You'd suggested that P was biased towards certain p-schs.
3. Any idea if the rest of the girls in her tea party were given CO or all were outrightly rejected? I ask this because you seem to imply the girls were taken on a joy ride and merely invited to \"凑数\", as if to make the school appear to be fair? Maybe unbeknown to you, the rest had something non-academic/ different to offer that she hadn't?
4. If you don't know the outcome of that girl's group, how about your DD's own session? Or schoolmates from your DD's own school in other sessions? Did you observe any reliable & consistent trend that made you draw such a negative conclusion and bear a grudge - on her behalf - for 1 year? :scared:
If you didn't conduct an 'exit poll' after each tea party, then your grouse is based solely on one isolated instance. Is that being fair to the school?
5. You alleged that the P selected candidates based on her prediction of their PSLE scores, and implied her judgment was flawed because the girl would later go on to score 275. Won't you agree that the P was spot-on to reject this girl who didn't need the DSA ticket at all?
IMO, P made the right call. She was merely heeding MOE's call by being inclusive and embracing diversity when she awarded COs to well-rounded candidates, not pure brains with general academic ability like that girl (unless you tell us otherwise). Isn't that what some gripers are griping about now, i.e. if you're academically competent and possess no niche talent, you should rely on your T-score to get into that same dream school?
6. Your concept of \"diversity\" is wanting and bereft of common sense. NYGH is not a special needs school and all girls' schools don't take in boys, so don't stretch your argument! SAP is not a problem, because SAP IP schools have always included well-deserving non-SAP p-sch candidates, and non-SAP IP schs also welcome SAP candidates. Some IP schs don't even give discounts to affiliates. SAP IP schs never have problem with staff or candidates whose MT isn't Chinese, don't play the race card to make your case.
7. You also insinuated they were discriminated on socioeconomic grounds when you made reference to cars. Again, you need to back this up before accusing them of cronyism. Perhaps some BMW kids were also rejected like this girl?
FYI: My friend's DD who was a MSer got into NYGH thru Sports and they live in a HDB flat and don't drive a BMW.
8. You failed to enlighten us if she'd received a CO from another top IP school, or whether she used T-score to get into one in the end. If she'd received one from RGS or equivalent, then what's your beef? :scratchhead:
Was it a case of a gem's ego being bruised because she only had 1 premium cherry on her plate to cherry-pick? But why should you feel bruised for her if there was a happy ending? :scratchhead:
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I don't like to beat about the bush, so let me cut to the chase what I believe is the case, but feel free to correct me if I'm grossly wrong:
Girl was one of the gems from a non-SAP GEP sch that has no affiliated sec sch? But she didn't have any other awards besides ECHA and general academic excellence? As such you thought P was biased towards SAP p-sch applicants because girl's sch wasn't? And you lashed out at the \"cronies\" because you believed the school accorded preference to their own affiliates?
Look, you cannot always expect to get what you want or desire in life. Many capable people can't even get COs. If she'd already received an alternative coveted CO and scored well, why keep brooding over NYGH's rejection?
Isn't she supposed to possess a Character Award? Someone who begrudges an institution that doesn't give her that \"right\" (in your own words), and who isn't gracious and big-hearted to let it go, has a character flaw. What kind of Values in Action are we talking about? :roll:
Suppose she only had what you said she had, then I've to commend the NYGH P for having the foresight to give COs to more deserving students with non-academic talents/CCA, subject-specific talent, and/or exemplary character. That's not cronyism. That's positive discrimination. That's inclusiveness.
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In any case, I guess this girl must have moved on. So must you. I hope she'd taken this minor setback in her stride. She's going to face more rejections/failures when she joins the workforce in future, so let that be an early lesson on \"Who Moved My Cheese?\"
I know you want to seek reasons of rejection and clarity of explanation, but there's no point in pursuing, because you may never get it. In the working world, job rejections are aplenty and often unexplained by prospective employers, even if you are armed with straight A's and look your best on the day of interview. Some don't even inform you of the outcome.
Your cannot begrudge the interviewer for taking away your \"right\" (to know why), as the interviewer does not take away your \"right\" to cherrypick all the job offers, and then ditch them ultimately for the best. You need to ditch that \"right\" mentality. -
[quote=\"jetsetter\"]678yess:
1. You're not the parent of that 275-scorer, and you're alleging that the P and school had been unfair. May I know whether your DD was rejected by NYGH too, though you mentioned she had RGS CO thru Eng domain?
Whatever I said, is not about being sore for being rejected, or feeling as a sore loser, I believe there are many parents who are like in the shoe the girl I was talking to. This girl I talked about, I had a conversation with the mum, because this girl is a close friend of my girl. Although some of you may experience different thing, what I have shared, was not a fiction. It was about my experience with NYGH, and I just would like to share my account the people who want to know more about NYGH through this forum.
2. This girl you're sticking your neck out for. Was she a GEPer or MSer? You said she had more talents than others. Did she have other outstanding non-academic talents, besides that Character Award and excellent general academic results? And may I know whether she was from NYPS, your DD's former school in the NE, or neighbourhood schools? You'd suggested that P was biased towards certain p-schs.
Those thing I have said, is not about Gepper versus MS.... I am not interested in this. Both Gepper and non gepper, should be treated equally. People likes to always \"hantam\" gepper as more geppers were given CO, but what to do, geppers have been selected in p4, and given different kind of training, why should anyone be surprised when more geppers are being selected.... Again, this is not what I want discuss here.....
3. Any idea if the rest of the girls in her tea party were given CO or all were outrightly rejected? I ask this because you seem to imply the girls were taken on a joy ride and merely invited to \"凑数\", as if to make the school appear to be fair? Maybe unbeknown to you, the rest had something non-academic/ different to offer that she hadn't?
I have verified how NYGH selects student from Madam Heng directly during the tea session. She said and I quote her here. \"I will rank the students from the same primary school together, and from there, they will give CO to some of the students from the same school eventhough there are many of them which is better some students from another school. This is for our survivor.\" So, if your child is from GEP school, the chances for your child will be lesser as they will only offer certain number of CO to the whole lots of students from that school, as to provide \" diversity\".I personally feel that this method is not right, as every applicant is not given equal right based on merit, but based on where you come from, i.e Primary school. Therefore, School like RGPS, Rosyth school, Nan Hua, Tao Nan..etc... many of the outstanding girls were surprise they were given WL instead of CO. (This is my personal opinion of the definition of outstanding girl).
I want to conclude this. Months ago, some people said, NYGH is more \"down to earth\", I reacted by stating my personal experience. Some parents defended NYGH, but none dare to say that those are good practice.Those who want to make the choice between the two.... Choose it with your wide eye open.... Hope that my real experience can help you to make your choice wiser.....
I must say this. Although I was not happy with how we were being treated during the DSA process by NYGH, we moved on, and my DD is now a happy girl in RGS. My purpose of sharing those past experience and my though here . Those who want to make the choice between the two.... Choose it with your wide eye open.... Hope that my real experience can help you to make your choice wiser.....
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678Yess:
If NYGH change their interview format, or cancel all the \"burger\" session this year, this can means that what I have raised was really bad.... I am awaiting to see how NYGH do their DSA this year...... Action will speak louder than argument.....jetsetter:
678yess:
1. You're not the parent of that 275-scorer, and you're alleging that the P and school had been unfair. May I know whether your DD was rejected by NYGH too, though you mentioned she had RGS CO thru Eng domain?
Whatever I said, is not about being sore for being rejected, or feeling as a sore loser, I believe there are many parents who are like in the shoe the girl I was talking to. This girl I talked about, I had a conversation with the mum, because this girl is a close friend of my girl. Although some of you may experience different thing, what I have shared, was not a fiction. It was about my experience with NYGH, and I just would like to share my account the people who want to know more about NYGH through this forum.
2. This girl you're sticking your neck out for. Was she a GEPer or MSer? You said she had more talents than others. Did she have other outstanding non-academic talents, besides that Character Award and excellent general academic results? And may I know whether she was from NYPS, your DD's former school in the NE, or neighbourhood schools? You'd suggested that P was biased towards certain p-schs.
Those thing I have said, is not about Gepper versus MS.... I am not interested in this. Both Gepper and non gepper, should be treated equally. People likes to always \"hantam\" gepper as more geppers were given CO, but what to do, geppers have been selected in p4, and given different kind of training, why should anyone be surprised when more geppers are being selected.... Again, this is not what I want discuss here.....
3. Any idea if the rest of the girls in her tea party were given CO or all were outrightly rejected? I ask this because you seem to imply the girls were taken on a joy ride and merely invited to \"凑数\", as if to make the school appear to be fair? Maybe unbeknown to you, the rest had something non-academic/ different to offer that she hadn't?
I have verified how NYGH selects student from Madam Heng directly during the tea session. She said and I quote her here. \"I will rank the students from the same primary school together, and from there, they will give CO to some of the students from the same school eventhough there are many of them which is better some students from another school. This is for our survivor.\" So, if your child is from GEP school, the chances for your child will be lesser as they will only offer certain number of CO to the whole lots of students from that school, as to provide \" diversity\".I personally feel that this method is not right, as every applicant is not given equal right based on merit, but based on where you come from, i.e Primary school. Therefore, School like RGPS, Rosyth school, Nan Hua, Tao Nan..etc... many of the outstanding girls were surprise they were given WL instead of CO. (This is my personal opinion of the definition of outstanding girl).
I want to conclude this. Months ago, some people said, NYGH is more \"down to earth\", I reacted by stating my personal experience. Some parents defended NYGH, but none dare to say that those are good practice.Those who want to make the choice between the two.... Choose it with your wide eye open.... Hope that my real experience can help you to make your choice wiser.....
My purpose of sharing those past experience and my though here is for those who want to make the choice between the two.... Choose it with your wide eye open.... Hope that my real experience can help you to make your choice wiser.....
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may be this year they eat cookies instead of burgers
and by this year Mdm Heng would have been there for 7 years as principal, and if she is been rotated to another secondary school or a heartland school, do you want to claim that she got transferred or demoted due to your feedback ? -
678Yess:
There is nothing wrong with this approach. Even world renowned universities do this, and this is only secondary school DSA. It is an acknowledgement that results can be affected by where the student comes from, ie. the student who was not from those schools you mentioned was handicapped by being in the 'not so good' primary school. All the more so when the said 'not so good' schools actually followed MOE's guidelines of putting students in mixed ability classes.
I have verified how NYGH selects student from Madam Heng directly during the tea session. She said and I quote her here. \"I will rank the students from the same primary school together, and from there, they will give CO to some of the students from the same school eventhough there are many of them which is better some students from another school. This is for our survivor.\" So, if your child is from GEP school, the chances for your child will be lesser as they will only offer certain number of CO to the whole lots of students from that school, as to provide \" diversity\".I personally feel that this method is not right, as every applicant is not given equal right based on merit, but based on where you come from, i.e Primary school. Therefore, School like RGPS, Rosyth school, Nan Hua, Tao Nan..etc... many of the outstanding girls were surprise they were given WL instead of CO. (This is my personal opinion of the definition of outstanding girl).
\"Merit\" is not just about who had better marks. For that, there is always PSLE. -
pirate:
Nygh is not a private sxhool, it is only independent school. Majority of the fund comes from the government.
There is nothing wrong with this approach. Even world renowned universities do this, and this is only secondary school DSA. It is an acknowledgement that results can be affected by where the student comes from, ie. the student who was not from those schools you mentioned was handicapped by being in the 'not so good' primary school. All the more so when the said 'not so good' schools actually followed MOE's guidelines of putting students in mixed ability classes.678Yess:
I have verified how NYGH selects student from Madam Heng directly during the tea session. She said and I quote her here. \"I will rank the students from the same primary school together, and from there, they will give CO to some of the students from the same school eventhough there are many of them which is better some students from another school. This is for our survivor.\" So, if your child is from GEP school, the chances for your child will be lesser as they will only offer certain number of CO to the whole lots of students from that school, as to provide \" diversity\".I personally feel that this method is not right, as every applicant is not given equal right based on merit, but based on where you come from, i.e Primary school. Therefore, School like RGPS, Rosyth school, Nan Hua, Tao Nan..etc... many of the outstanding girls were surprise they were given WL instead of CO. (This is my personal opinion of the definition of outstanding girl).
\"Merit\" is not just about who had better marks. For that, there is always PSLE. -
what is done these two sxhool needs to be answerable to the general public. I was saying the policy adopted by nygh is not fair to each applicant. Since they are funded by tax payer money through, every applicant shd be treated equally.Meritocarcy is the fundamental of our society.
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pirate:
I agree with you. In fact, it is not even easy for Mdm Heng to do this.
There is nothing wrong with this approach. Even world renowned universities do this, and this is only secondary school DSA. It is an acknowledgement that results can be affected by where the student comes from, ie. the student who was not from those schools you mentioned was handicapped by being in the 'not so good' primary school. All the more so when the said 'not so good' schools actually followed MOE's guidelines of putting students in mixed ability classes.678Yess:
I have verified how NYGH selects student from Madam Heng directly during the tea session. She said and I quote her here. \"I will rank the students from the same primary school together, and from there, they will give CO to some of the students from the same school eventhough there are many of them which is better some students from another school. This is for our survivor.\" So, if your child is from GEP school, the chances for your child will be lesser as they will only offer certain number of CO to the whole lots of students from that school, as to provide \" diversity\".I personally feel that this method is not right, as every applicant is not given equal right based on merit, but based on where you come from, i.e Primary school. Therefore, School like RGPS, Rosyth school, Nan Hua, Tao Nan..etc... many of the outstanding girls were surprise they were given WL instead of CO. (This is my personal opinion of the definition of outstanding girl).
\"Merit\" is not just about who had better marks. For that, there is always PSLE.
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