What is wrong with our system?
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jesschan:
I suppose it is also important to note that the richest one is not necessary the happiest one....
agree with you, jess. GENUINE happiness cannot be bought with money.
It all boils down to their CONTENTMENT level.
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ksi:
ksi,
Think I mentioned before, the truly rich do not flash their wealth. In SG, hard to know the rich and poor thru stats because people have many other ways they get their income, eg. past few years there are many rich people because of enbloc sales and then they downgrade, so based on salary alone is also not a good gauge.
DH and I refer to them as rich in 'old' money.
And you are absolutely right. They do not flaunt it, very blase about their status too
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The systems are normally right for awhile, and become wrong with situations.
1) We see more plastic wastes in National Parks, breeding mosquitos, when compared with those days when MM Lee was in power. Shore lines also getting dirtier. As we see education systems yielding more ill responsible Singaporeans.
2) We see less pai kia, but more teenage smoking, teen mums dumping babies, when compared with MM Lee’s time. Which may be linked to more divorces, and HDB were to be blamed for some of these divorces.
3) We see more gates, diminishing our hard earn $, electronically, less painful, but impact is as great.
4) We see more job losses, forced to learn at embarrassing age, ie: too young to retire, too old to work, as they prolong the retirement age, to retain our hard earn monies in CPF. (or was it to curb foolish retirees losing money to babes?)
5) We see more HDB prices going north, sizes going south, but more camps at beaches, when compared with MM Lee’s day. Is not the fault of the system, is there are people out-smarting the system but ended up the way of no return.
6) We see more salary going into more ministers, but productivity being questioned at working levels. Is like a corporate run with more bosses, with not enough blue collars, and ended up with more FT.
these are just tips of the ice berg, these are just glimpses of wrong in the systems…, but we are blind to most part of it, we are not systems owners, we don’t know how we can control, they will definitely be daunting ones… most of our ministers sleep after midnight, and wake up before twilight, awarded with $$$$, it is real that we are less productive, is it because less and less Singaporean really care? Very soon we will see productivity being taught in primary school level, more stress to the kids!
What else will we see in future? We will see more oppositions, to improve the hygienic image of democracy, honesty doubt that they will have fixes to the flaws in our systems. We see more democracy in countries like Holland, but they takes years to argue and agree on policies… Bangkok is having human right woes …
There is no perfect systems in the world, the world is by nature, not fair, why those causing toxic assets, killed families, still holding to their jobs, still awarded with bonuses? these are flaws in meritocracies…? PSLE exam do not require students have good value systems, because MOE is not ministry of Family.
Just learn to be contented with what we have lah, terrorist threats are real, deaths are real, money is not everything, stay happy while your health is still sound, do our bit to control what we can impact, ie: make sure our kids do not contribute to social woes, improve their value systems, while we still can.
Appreciate the good and wellness now, we tend to live life like there is always a tomorrow, we may have been taking things for granted. -
tamarind:
All income is taxable. Even if you win TOTO, you still must pay tax. The government employs some very clever people to chase taxes, don't even think about cheating, they will find you and the penalty is heavy.[quote]
May be the data is based in IRAS input, which may not be accurate. Example, a humble technician in stat board, runs a successful tuition centre. Another technician night time, import/export fruits from overseas. These technicians official salaries only 3k. But have side lines.
How many humble technicians do you know run successful tuition centres ? I also wish to have a sideline that earns thousands of dollars a month, how come I cannot do it ?
I live in the HDB heartland, where most Singaporeans live. All my neighbours and are not well off. Please do proper research before making any assumptions.[/quote]Non-graduates in the private companies I work before mostly earning at least 4/5k, have few properties, 2 cars. I think they married early and made $ with the HDB plus shares bull-run. My site sup made 18k in shares 1 day, sometime in 1996. Many examples. Some pple drive taxis at night, day time engineers.
I don't stay in a well-off HDB estate. But I look at the carpark, so many new big cars. My neighbor is a van driver, he just ditched his van and bought a new car! I hv the smallest car.... :oops:
Probably we missed the boats. May be we never take risk.
I am still trying to find out why..... :? -
jesschan:
I suppose it is also important to note that the richest one is not necessary the happiest one....
for the very poor ones, if must worry about their next meal, can hardly be happy either -
Andaiz:
Life is short, remember some of us want to be entrepreneurs, scientists, etc. to pursue our dreams, before we surrender our ICs.
Don't say liddat, really when kids study primary school it is like we study another time with them! :hi5:Donkey Kong:
ok, very simple, kids study primary school is like we study another time for them! :celebrate:
So to answer your question, there is nothing wrong with our system...just something wrong with the way we try and keep up with the Joneses, oops, the Tans, Ngs and Lees.... :stupid:
Where got time to study another PSLE with kids? Study PSLE again I doubt will help us in our scientific discovery Eureka :shock:
Some of us need to set up Acer, MSI, TSMC, etc. to make Singapore proud... this is our homeland. Creative is losing steam. We need to build up our brand names.
PSLE should be left to the teachers, I guess. When we have these big brand names, Singaporeans will hv jobs! :celebrate: IRs still own by FTs. -
Andaiz:
:goodpost: :hi5:
Don't say liddat, really when kids study primary school it is like we study another time with them! :hi5:Donkey Kong:
ok, very simple, kids study primary school is like we study another time for them! :celebrate:
Donkey Kong, don't mind if I be quite honest yah? (say upfront first mah!) The \"ordinary\" uncles/aunties who put those money into Lehman Bros either put them there to get their kids through overseas college and uni education; or had those CPF money leh! Blood money meant for retirement. The Car showroom and condo showrooms packed with ppl buying are ppl who buy on credit and then have to pay the bank loads of interest. So things may not seem what they appear to be at first flush.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for striving for excellence and the \"good things in life\" but we need to remember that these things do come with a sacrifice - could be time away from family, sleep, worry, etc etc all for the name of progressing onself. It really all boils down to what YOU think is important in your life and HOW you want to live it!
So to answer your question, there is nothing wrong with our system...just something wrong with the way we try and keep up with the Joneses, oops, the Tans, Ngs and Lees.... :stupid: -
Donkey Kong:
We shouldn't feel sour just b/c some people around us with less qualification earning more than us. How rich a person is not simply a factor of eduational level. A lot depends on the circumstances, network and someone's ability to seize opportunities. You only see people making $$ in the stock mkt, how about thousands of others who lost money or even broke when the mkt crashed? For sure they won't be going around broadcasting it.Non-graduates in the private companies I work before mostly earning at least 4/5k, have few properties, 2 cars. I think they married early and made $ with the HDB plus shares bull-run. My site sup made 18k in shares 1 day, sometime in 1996. Many examples. Some pple drive taxis at night, day time engineers.
I don't stay in a well-off HDB estate. But I look at the carpark, so many new big cars. My neighbor is a van driver, he just ditched his van and bought a new car! I hv the smallest car.... :oops:
Probably we missed the boats. May be we never take risk.
I am still trying to find out why..... :?
If you keep comparing with other people, you'll never be happy but turn into a sour grape
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sleepy:
agree, it is not a mathematics equation after all... just like what csc said, it all boils down to contentment level. definition of rich and poor is subjective to begin with....jesschan:
I suppose it is also important to note that the richest one is not necessary the happiest one....
for the very poor ones, if must worry about their next meal, can hardly be happy either -
Malaysia has Proton, Perodua, Nascar, etc. plus many nice sceneries....
Okto was showing the Cameron Highland Tea Plantation.. So nice... Vegetables, eggs, meat, fishes, water (fresh).
Just wish to retire at a peaceful malaysian kampong.
We have only exams.... So crowded everywhere, no peace.
Still ok with our system..
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