* Nanyang JC (NYJC)
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stetan:
VJ was top in 1988, the 4th (my batch) batch. I cant remember which year in the 90s but there was once in the 90s and another in 2001. I agree with you that it had never reached the peak but it always holds its title as the top 3 JCs during that period, okay to be more prudent, top 5. I did mention how my seniors assist me in VJ and that the culture was very friendly and unselfish. How more detail do you want? If you would like, show me an example of your take on RJ. Besides, I am reluctant to post things unrelated to NYJC, which is the main subject in this thread. This will actually dismiss parents who have genuine interest in NYJC because it goes off topic. Put yourself in their shoes. Moreover, please help EthanEthan (via other platforms) if you have the time.
I rememebered VJC was only top for 1 year. Which year in the 90's were it top ? Even if it was top again in 2001, after that , it had never reached the peak again. Was that period after Mrs Lee left VJC? I understand she was a very good principalmindays:
I was the 4th batch of VJC, I had seniors and I attribute my success, partly to them. My principal was Mrs Lee, though I forgot her full name. She was a great principal as well, but we didn't interact much with Mrs Lee then. On the contrary, it was my seniors who assisted me in my studies and even ECAs (CCAs) at that time. Victorian's culture is unselfish, we cheer as one Victorian and of course I must thank the dedicated teachers there (Mr Tan, Mdm Heng just to name a few). In fact, VJ's results were outstanding and was top for my batch but subsequently once in the 90s and another in 2001 (the year of 911). So, it's not just once! You can check by all means. My point is, I value my seniors and IMO, they are integral in a stressful JC curriculum. People have different viewpoints on matter and I hope that we can respect that.
You have written a lot but you have not explain how school culture and support can help the JC stay at the top, which wasn't in VJC case. -
mindays:
But you were the one that mentioned that the principal is not a critical factor in a JC's performance and even after he left, there will be no impact ( in fact it might get better) with great school culture and support.
VJ was top in 1988, the 4th (my batch) batch. I cant remember which year in the 90s but there was once in the 90s and another in 2001. I agree with you that it had never reached the peak but it always holds its title as the top 3 JCs during that period, okay to be more prudent, top 5. I did mention how my seniors assist me in VJ and that the culture was very friendly and unselfish. How more detail do you want? If you would like, show me an example of your take on RJ. Besides, I am reluctant to post things unrelated to NYJC, which is the main subject in this thread. This will actually dismiss parents who have genuine interest in NYJC because it goes off topic. Put yourself in their shoes. Moreover, please help EthanEthan (via other platforms) if you have the time.
I was just highlighting to you the fact that VJC did not managed to retain the #1 position after Mrs Lee left. I know VJC is still a good top 5 college but you do realise that there is a great disparity between the top two JCs and the rest. The top 2 JCs are really way ahead in performance. -
EthanEthan:
It is entirely relevant. I really rest my case and I see no point in explaining to you if you still want to continue your concept of:
That article is not relevant to the case you brought up about 60 marks and 80 marks. Please read through the article properly and tell me how is it relevant to the case you cited belowmindays:
Clearly, you did not understand the article that I provided you with: http://chrisguillebeau.com/the-more-you-improve/
Someone, please help me, I really don't wish to harp on it anymore.
Let me repeat what you say again.
You mentioned by your statistical knowledge, when you have 80 marks, it would be more difficult to get the next additional mark ? But if you answer a 1 MCQ mark question correctly, wont you get that extra mark regardless you have 60 or 80 marks now? .It takes the same effort to answer the MCQ question, isn't it ?Why would it take extra effort for the 80 mark student?
Can you answer once and for all and stop beating round the bush?
It takes the same effort to achieve 90 marks from 80 marks when compared to achieving 80 marks from 70 marks.
While I say that it gets tougher as you improve (in this case when the score is higher), meaning that:
Though the difference of 90 and 80 is the same as the difference of 80 and 70, the effort needed to get a 90 marks from 80 is a lot more significant than a raise from 70 to 80. -
stetan:
TBH, I did mention that the students had little interaction with Mrs Lee (the principal). Though I know she's a good principal because I cant find any fault with her, but it doesn't mean she played an important role in VJ's success. In fact, I attributed my success to the unwavering support my seniors had for me. Is this clear enough, because I seem to have said these a couple of times. FYI, VJ weren't that far from RJ and The Chinese High (HCI) then, we always have a close fight. I agree that the disparity is visible in todays context (2017), just like how I see NYJC has improved since my days.
But you were the one that mentioned that the principal is not a critical factor in a JC's performance and even after he left, there will be no impact ( in fact it might get better) with great school culture and support.mindays:
VJ was top in 1988, the 4th (my batch) batch. I cant remember which year in the 90s but there was once in the 90s and another in 2001. I agree with you that it had never reached the peak but it always holds its title as the top 3 JCs during that period, okay to be more prudent, top 5. I did mention how my seniors assist me in VJ and that the culture was very friendly and unselfish. How more detail do you want? If you would like, show me an example of your take on RJ. Besides, I am reluctant to post things unrelated to NYJC, which is the main subject in this thread. This will actually dismiss parents who have genuine interest in NYJC because it goes off topic. Put yourself in their shoes. Moreover, please help EthanEthan (via other platforms) if you have the time.
I was just highlighting to you the fact that VJC did not managed to retain the #1 position after Mrs Lee left. I know VJC is still a good top 5 college but you do realise that there is a great disparity between the top two JCs and the rest. The top 2 JCs are really way ahead in performance. -
https://www.facebook.com/Nanyangjc/videos/1395758207104116/
This is one video to illustrate how humble the ex-principal of NYJC is. He does not take full credit to NY's success but he attributed to the STAFF and STUDENTS. Hear from the horse's mouth.
http://www.zaobao.com.sg/special/report/singapore/yearinreview/news/story20170101-706641
This is another video related to the new principal. I mean my point is, give every principal a chance to lead, if you still choose to think that a change of principal is something that will cause NYJC to have a drastic change, think twice before making a mountain out of a molehill. That's all I have to say, good luck to all students and parents, I wish you the best! -
mindays:
Because you don't make sense.
It is entirely relevant. I really rest my case and I see no point in explaining to you if you still want to continue your concept of:
It takes the same effort to achieve 90 marks from 80 marks when compared to achieving 80 marks from 70 marks.
While I say that it gets tougher as you improve (in this case when the score is higher), meaning that:
Though the difference of 90 and 80 is the same as the difference of 80 and 70, the effort needed to get a 90 marks from 80 is a lot more significant than a raise from 70 to 80.
You are trying to mislead by comparing s sport's skill to taking an exam.
Whether you are at 60 marks or 80 marks now, the effort required to get the next additional MCQ question correct is the same. The more question you get correct, the more marks you get.
In fact I would think that the 80 marks student will need \"less effort\" to get that additional MCQ question correct since he is smarter by virtue of his current mark.
Are you saying it would be tougher for the 80mark still to get the additional MCQ question correct than the 60 mark student ? -
mindays:
So in your opinion, what was the reason VJC has never been able to be able to regain the #1 position since 2001 ? The performance gap between RI/HCI and VJ has grown even larger today.
TBH, I did mention that the students had little interaction with Mrs Lee (the principal). Though I know she's a good principal because I cant find any fault with her, but it doesn't mean she played an important role in VJ's success. In fact, I attributed my success to the unwavering support my seniors had for me. Is this clear enough, because I seem to have said these a couple of times. FYI, VJ weren't that far from RJ and The Chinese High (HCI) then, we always have a close fight. I agree that the disparity is visible in todays context (2017), just like how I see NYJC has improved since my days. -
EthanEthan:
I am confused by what you say because you seem to include so many things in your post.
Because you don't make sense.mindays:
It is entirely relevant. I really rest my case and I see no point in explaining to you if you still want to continue your concept of:
It takes the same effort to achieve 90 marks from 80 marks when compared to achieving 80 marks from 70 marks.
While I say that it gets tougher as you improve (in this case when the score is higher), meaning that:
Though the difference of 90 and 80 is the same as the difference of 80 and 70, the effort needed to get a 90 marks from 80 is a lot more significant than a raise from 70 to 80.
You are trying to mislead by comparing s sport's skill to taking an exam.
Whether you are at 60 marks or 80 marks now, the effort required to get the next additional MCQ question correct is the same. The more question you get correct, the more marks you get.
In fact I would think that the 80 marks student will need \"less effort\" to get that additional MCQ question correct since he is smarter by virtue of his current mark.
Are you saying it would be tougher for the 80mark still to get the additional MCQ question correct than the 60 mark student ?
Firstly, you said that I was wrong to say that the effort needed to get 90 marks from 80 marks is different from the effort needed to get 80 marks from 70 marks. I explained myself and you relentlessly held on to your concept, I rest my case.
Secondly, you dug further to even say that \"the 80 marks student will need \"less effort\" to\" sort of improve.
Thirdly, you went on to ask the same repeated qn: \"Are you saying it would be tougher for the 80mark still to get the additional MCQ question correct than the 60 mark student \", which I have stated my stand countless times.
What exactly are you driving at? -
stetan:
You have to understand that RI and HCI take in top students since secondary 1, unlike VJ who accepts JC1s (before the IP system came in). It is meaningless and groundless to compare because if both colleges were to start on different take off point, the exact reasons cannot be scrutinised. Besides, I do not wish to discuss things that are unrelated to NYJC anymore, wasn't that what I have mentioned before? You are depriving people with genuine interest to this thread.
So in your opinion, what was the reason VJC has never been able to be able to regain the #1 position since 2001 ? The performance gap between RI/HCI and VJ has grown even larger today.mindays:
TBH, I did mention that the students had little interaction with Mrs Lee (the principal). Though I know she's a good principal because I cant find any fault with her, but it doesn't mean she played an important role in VJ's success. In fact, I attributed my success to the unwavering support my seniors had for me. Is this clear enough, because I seem to have said these a couple of times. FYI, VJ weren't that far from RJ and The Chinese High (HCI) then, we always have a close fight. I agree that the disparity is visible in todays context (2017), just like how I see NYJC has improved since my days. -
mindays:
Thank you mindays for providing me with these videos. It certainly gave me the confidence to believe NYJC. Continue what you are doing and don't be affected by people, we all know who is the right/wrong. :thankyou: :goodpost:https://www.facebook.com/Nanyangjc/videos/1395758207104116/
This is one video to illustrate how humble the ex-principal of NYJC is. He does not take full credit to NY's success but he attributed to the STAFF and STUDENTS. Hear from the horse's mouth.
http://www.zaobao.com.sg/special/report/singapore/yearinreview/news/story20170101-706641
This is another video related to the new principal. I mean my point is, give every principal a chance to lead, if you still choose to think that a change of principal is something that will cause NYJC to have a drastic change, think twice before making a mountain out of a molehill. That's all I have to say, good luck to all students and parents, I wish you the best!
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