* Nanyang JC (NYJC)
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stetan:
Why do you want to bring up history when its over? I did address myself and the following posts then. Why can't you focus on posting constructive things but instead digging things unrelated to this JC?
Ok. I must admit that I am wrong here in the usage. I apoligize if it has caused you distress. But did you have the guts to apologize too when you have made so many untruthful statements and unwarranted ad hominen attacks on others?mindays:
It looks like you perceive that my grammar is wrong, but according to merriam-webster, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dawn%20on, I am right. This is why some people only think that they are in the capacity to correct someone when he/she is at fault.
Please go read the posts you have made since page 1 of this NYJC forum -
EthanEthan:
No, you still don't get it. The fact is that, clubs and societies have 2 CCAs per week. During exam periods, there may be less. During competition period, there may be more. I agree, but that's not the point. The point is, what is the designed time of these CCAs by the school? If it is 2 times/week, then just say so. Also, what do you mean by CCA can start earlier when J2s have their Chinese exams over? Do CCAs not have a fixed timing, how do they start earlier? Is your DC a J2 yet? How then do you know?
The EJC website is not wrong. But you have to realise that these are CCA timing guidelines. I did mention the words \"in general\" and I hope you would know what it means. In general, the CCA timings is fluid and flexible depending whether it is competition period time, exam times, lull period e.t.c. When it is competition period, the training period increases, exam period , it decreases or even cease. So in the case for most clubs, it flexes form zero to 2 times per week and that is why I say \"in general , it is 1 time per week\". I have a child in one of the clubs and that's why I know. Do you happen to have a child in a club in EJC ?mindays:
A fact is a fact, call a spade a spade. Don't brush off facts that were gathered on EJC's website. Who are you to say that the facts that I took from EUNOIA JC's OFFICIAL website is false? You are now trying to distort facts and claim that whatever I say is incorrect.
You said that in general, clubs and societies take 1 day out of the 5 in a week? That is completely untrue and where did you get that from? From the official website, all clubs and societies have a minimum of 2 days in a week, and ODAC in particular has 4 days of training in a week! http://eunoiajc.moe.edu.sg/students/ccas/odac/
Why are you trying to understate the duration? What exactly is your motive for saying false things about EJC in NYJC thread? Even for sports CCAs in EJC, the average training is about 2-3x per wk and not your \"1-2wk\". Why are you trying to deceive the people here? :evil: (stetan, its time for you to come out and explain your definition of \"constructive posts\").
If you do not have, I would kindly request that you stop behaving as though you are the principal of EJC and that you know everything about the school. You are again trying to spin a lie by just taking the maximum upper limit so as to support your arguementmindays:
Does that not prove what I am saying ? Without CCA at JC2, they would even be able to go home earlier if they start earlier ?I acknowledge your reason on why CCA starts late because of H1 Chinese students. However, by the time they finish their Chinese A Levels at the end of the year, they will be J2 and usually J2s will step down before June (common practice of other JCs)\").
mindays:
Then if your analysis and thoughts are based on unverified sources, don't you think if they are untrue, they are considered as blatant lies ?So who is the one giving false information in this forum? Regarding my comments on the respective JCs, I have made it clear that those were purely my analysis and thoughts. To justify how reliable my posts are, just take a look at the number of likes I have on my profile. The number speaks for itself. We will very much appreciate if you could leave this thread, we wont blame you for the mistakes that you have made.
The example above clearly show how you again try to distort a piece of information that is simply taken off a website. You did not bother to verify with parents or students and based your \"analysis\" on it. Tell me, how trustworthy have you made yourself to be ? -
Grandypa:
You should read things into context.
Grandpa was very free today so I tried to read the entire NYJC thread( and other threads as well)...Started from current page and got tired after reaching page 40.mindays:
So who is the one giving false information in this forum? .
This is just some of the false information you have been giving till page 40. If I have wnt back to page 1, it will be many times more !
- NYJC is a top JC - reason: many students visit its open house compared to other JC
- NYJC students better than EJC, TJC - reason: cut off points is higher but did not take into account IP cohort
- NYJC results is better than TJC - reason: anecdotal evidence of results
- NYJC results is better than DHS - reason: never substantiate this remark
- NYJC is the top non-IP JC - reason: cut off points, even beat NJC in results
- 100% of NYJC students can secure a course in a local university - reason: because can meet minimum eligibitiy of entrance to local university :slapshead:
-NYJC popularity is because of good results, ex-principal never play important role
-Students of T-score 240 is same academic standard of T-score 250 - reason - because I say so
- English is harder than Physics reason: -reason :misuse of statistics to support 30 years ago observation
- All JCs in singapore MUST have a gym because it is standaard MOE facility- reason : because he sees gym in some JC
- EJC uses tax payer money to pay for chartered buses- reason: have been proven to be a blatant lie
- All CCAs MUST have at least 2 times per session for clubs and societies - reason: have been proven wrong
- Starting lesson time at 730am, 8pm, 830pm makes no different as ALL students will go home late
Definitely we know who has been giving false information and half truths here :rotflmao:
1. I didn't link that having a high attendance rate of open house = top jC. I merely gave my observations when I visited their open houses and I didn't conclude that NYJC was a top JC just because of the overwhelming people who went for their open house.
2. I didn't conclude that NYJC students better than EJC, TJC. However, some of the people here feel that IP students were better than top O level graduates, mainly because of the stellar PSLE results as a reason. So I went on to give an alternate perspective that not ALL IP students are better than O level graduates. On the contrary, O level graduates may end up doing much better than IP Students. So, I went on to justify how a non-IP school can be equitable to an IP school and no one is more superior than the other. You misinterpreted that my view was \"NYJC students better than EJC, TJC\"
3. NYJC results were indeed better than TJC, some of the forumers here stated that TJC's UAS for 2015 A level results were 80, while NYJC's was 81. In fact, the eligibility of TJCians to local U for the 2015 A level results was 96.2%, compared to NYJC's 100%. (bear in mind I say the eligibility and not that they are accepted into the courses. Read the MOE's definition of eligibility to local U). When the 2016 A level results were released, MyMelborne (sorry for dragging you in) acknowledged the hedging I used when stating results. In conclusion, many individual results are difficult to be sourced for, thus, it is not meaningful to compare.
4. Since when did I say that NYJC results is better than DHS? I said \"comparable\" and I did not give a final ultimatum. I had my reasons for saying so, and that was based on 2015's A level results (before the release of 2016's). Some forumners here mentioned that DHS's 3H2 distinctions were 39.5% (https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=85620&start=360), compared to NYJC's 30+% then (but when further calculated based on the improvement of 14% to 38.8% on 2016's results, 2015's results should be about 34%). So I said that these JCs had results that are comparable, but DHS is still academically better than NYJC.
5. NYJC is in fact the top non-IP JC, and I gave my reason solely because of the cut off points. That is because compared to the other non-IP JCs, it has a better intake of O level students. I DIDNT say that NYJC beat NJC in terms of results. That is defamation. I said it may be comparable to NJC's results. I then gave my analysis to justify the reason why (https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=68179&start=540). Can you please read it more carefully?
6. This was a pure honest mistake in my writing, and I have acknowledged that in the following posts. I say that the eligibility to a local U of NYJC is 100%. My mistake was the part on securing a course. I had apologise and corrected then, now move on.
7. I justified that NYJC's popularity was not solely due to the ex-principal. I justified by showing a video as a proof that he said that \"today NYJC is so strong, not because of one person\". He played a significant role, but not the entire role. Video: https://www.facebook.com/Nanyangjc/videos/1395758207104116/
8. I did not say that students of T-score 240 is the same academic standard of T-score 250. I said that there were not much difference but the primary intention was to show how non-IP JC can be as good as an IPJC.
9. I said that English is harder than Physics when we are talking about securing a distinction in national examinations. I supported my reasons by saying that the national distinction rates of Physics is a lot higher than English. I didn't link back to the observation made 30 years ago. Perhaps jetsetter could help me to explain.
10. I didn't say that All JCs in singapore MUST have a gym because it is standard MOE facility. I said that having a gym in a JC is not something to be exaggerated about, because it is a norm and all JCs have a gym, to the fact that it can become a \"standard\" facility. EthanEthan tried to show how great EJC was because they had a gym and he even shared that the size was about 3 times of a basketball court. I defended by saying it was only about 1-2 size of a basketball court, because I went to the open house in 2017 and I saw it with my eyes. It wasn't as big as what EthanEthan had suggested. I then said that his posts were overstated comments and were meant to deceive the people. What exactly was his intention to overstate a post? The principle of him trying to delude the people there was wrong, but yet people felt that the gym was a trivial issue and I must agree with that. I was not against the gym, I was against his principle and motive.
11. Cant you tell the satire I used in: EJC uses tax payer money to pay for chartered buses? Of course, EthanEthan said that the students of EJC have to pay for the buses, and I acknowledge him/her for saying that.
12. I justified that the designed time slots for EJC were at least 2 times per session for clubs and societies, opposed to the 1 time that EthanEthan has proposed. I was absolutely stunned when matters of EJC are discussed in a NYJC thread. Whatever the reasons he cited, the fact is that the engineered schedule is 2x a week.
13. When did I say that there is no difference when lessons start at 730am, 8am, 830am? His reason was that when lessons start earlier, CCAs start earlier and a student can go home earlier. However, I refuted by stating that there were CCAs that start at a fixed timing of 6pm or even 5pm that can end up as late as 830pm.
Please read the posts in greater details. -
mindays:
Why do you want to bring up history when its over? I did address myself and the following posts then. Why can't you focus on posting constructive things but instead digging things unrelated to this JC?[/quote]Because past history have showed that you did not change and as LKY would have put it , a consummate half truths fibber. Only when people point out your bluffs then you will play the victim card., brush it off or make ad hominen attacks
Ok. I must admit that I am wrong here in the usage. I apoligize if it has caused you distress. But did you have the guts to apologize too when you have made so many untruthful statements and unwarranted ad hominen attacks on others?stetan:
[quote=\"mindays\"]
It looks like you perceive that my grammar is wrong, but according to merriam-webster, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dawn%20on, I am right. This is why some people only think that they are in the capacity to correct someone when he/she is at fault.
Please go read the posts you have made since page 1 of this NYJC forum -
mindays:
I am reading your posts with great amusement. You are missing the entire picture.
No, you still don't get it. The fact is that, clubs and societies have 2 CCAs per week. During exam periods, there may be less. During competition period, there may be more. I agree, but that's not the point. The point is, what is the designed time of these CCAs by the school? If it is 2 times/week, then just say so. Also, what do you mean by CCA can start earlier when J2s have their Chinese exams over? Do CCAs not have a fixed timing, how do they start earlier? Is your DC a J2 yet? How then do you know?
The point of contention is if school starts early, it will definitely end earlier. CCA plays a part but it only takes up a couple of days in a week on average. When school end earlier, CCA typically can start earlier. You are just trying to nitpick extreme examples which will occur under every situation but that does not mean is the norm.
Your contention is that it does not matter if school start at 730am, 8am, 830am because they will always end at the same time ??? If that premise is even remotely true, why then do you not find all the other JCs start school at 830am or even 9am.
Your responses are providing me great entertainment value on a boring Saturday afternoon. -
mindays:
It looks like you perceive that my grammar is wrong, but according to merriam-webster, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dawn%20on, I am right. This is why some people only think that they are in the capacity to correct someone when he/she is at fault.[/quote]'Dawned upon' is more formal and less frequently used than 'dawned on', but both are correct. Stetan didn't make any mistake here.
Has it dawned upon ( not on ) you that I only wrote this comment after you wrote this message attacking another forummer ?stetan:
[quote=\"mindays\"]
Has it ever dawned on to you that you were the one who started with the personal attacks by saying \"You seem to be describing yourself. LOL\"? I mean, was that statement you made constructive or necessary? :evil:
And I was only reflecting to you how apt the description seems to suit you.
己所不欲，勿施于人
Mindrays.. You're wrong to use 'dawned on to'. It should be 'dawned on', -
mindays:
What's the problem with you ? I have already explained very clearly that the CCA timings on the website are timings guidelines. You have also agreed that that CCA frequency fluxes in practice
No, you still don't get it. The fact is that, clubs and societies have 2 CCAs per week. During exam periods, there may be less. During competition period, there may be more. I agree, but that's not the point. The point is, what is the designed time of these CCAs by the school? If it is 2 times/week, then just say so. Also, what do you mean by CCA can start earlier when J2s have their Chinese exams over? Do CCAs not have a fixed timing, how do they start earlier? Is your DC a J2 yet? How then do you know?
So why do you keep harping on the static information displayed on the website but deliberately chose to ignore the dynamic aspects that is really in practice? You cannot even understand such a simple concept ?
You do not even have a child in EJC so why are you acting as though you \"know it all\" ? -
mindays:
After reading this, I must say you are totally despicable. The argument you had was with stetan, not me on whether gyms are standard equipment in all JCs.
10. I didn't say that All JCs in singapore MUST have a gym because it is standard MOE facility. I said that having a gym in a JC is not something to be exaggerated about, because it is a norm and all JCs have a gym, to the fact that it can become a \"standard\" facility. EthanEthan tried to show how great EJC was because they had a gym and he even shared that the size was about 3 times of a basketball court. I defended by saying it was only about 1-2 size of a basketball court, because I went to the open house in 2017 and I saw it with my eyes. It wasn't as big as what EthanEthan had suggested. I then said that his posts were overstated comments and were meant to deceive the people. What exactly was his intention to overstate a post? The principle of him trying to delude the people there was wrong, but yet people felt that the gym was a trivial issue and I must agree with that. I was not against the gym, I was against his principle and motive.
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I only brought up the size of the gym and later explain why I thought it was big ( original post here https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=85535&start=460) . So now you are trying to stain my name with this ?
I hope you are not in person how are you behaving in this forum -
mindays:
Of course, now when you have the benefit of hindsight and after the backlash by forum-goers that your information are half-truths, you can now try to \"correct\" your comments
You should read things into context.
1. I didn't link that having a high attendance rate of open house = top jC. I merely gave my observations when I visited their open houses and I didn't conclude that NYJC was a top JC just because of the overwhelming people who went for their open house.
2. I didn't conclude that NYJC students better than EJC, TJC. However, some of the people here feel that IP students were better than top O level graduates, mainly because of the stellar PSLE results as a reason. So I went on to give an alternate perspective that not ALL IP students are better than O level graduates. On the contrary, O level graduates may end up doing much better than IP Students. So, I went on to justify how a non-IP school can be equitable to an IP school and no one is more superior than the other. You misinterpreted that my view was \"NYJC students better than EJC, TJC\"
3. NYJC results were indeed better than TJC, some of the forumers here stated that TJC's UAS for 2015 A level results were 80, while NYJC's was 81. In fact, the eligibility of TJCians to local U for the 2015 A level results was 96.2%, compared to NYJC's 100%. (bear in mind I say the eligibility and not that they are accepted into the courses. Read the MOE's definition of eligibility to local U). When the 2016 A level results were released, MyMelborne (sorry for dragging you in) acknowledged the hedging I used when stating results. In conclusion, many individual results are difficult to be sourced for, thus, it is not meaningful to compare.
4. Since when did I say that NYJC results is better than DHS? I said \"comparable\" and I did not give a final ultimatum. I had my reasons for saying so, and that was based on 2015's A level results (before the release of 2016's). Some forumners here mentioned that DHS's 3H2 distinctions were 39.5% (https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=85620&start=360), compared to NYJC's 30+% then (but when further calculated based on the improvement of 14% to 38.8% on 2016's results, 2015's results should be about 34%). So I said that these JCs had results that are comparable, but DHS is still academically better than NYJC.
5. NYJC is in fact the top non-IP JC, and I gave my reason solely because of the cut off points. That is because compared to the other non-IP JCs, it has a better intake of O level students. I DIDNT say that NYJC beat NJC in terms of results. That is defamation. I said it may be comparable to NJC's results. I then gave my analysis to justify the reason why (https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=68179&start=540). Can you please read it more carefully?
6. This was a pure honest mistake in my writing, and I have acknowledged that in the following posts. I say that the eligibility to a local U of NYJC is 100%. My mistake was the part on securing a course. I had apologise and corrected then, now move on.
7. I justified that NYJC's popularity was not solely due to the ex-principal. I justified by showing a video as a proof that he said that \"today NYJC is so strong, not because of one person\". He played a significant role, but not the entire role. Video: https://www.facebook.com/Nanyangjc/videos/1395758207104116/
8. I did not say that students of T-score 240 is the same academic standard of T-score 250. I said that there were not much difference but the primary intention was to show how non-IP JC can be as good as an IPJC.
9. I said that English is harder than Physics when we are talking about securing a distinction in national examinations. I supported my reasons by saying that the national distinction rates of Physics is a lot higher than English. I didn't link back to the observation made 30 years ago. Perhaps jetsetter could help me to explain.
10. I didn't say that All JCs in singapore MUST have a gym because it is standard MOE facility. I said that having a gym in a JC is not something to be exaggerated about, because it is a norm and all JCs have a gym, to the fact that it can become a \"standard\" facility. EthanEthan tried to show how great EJC was because they had a gym and he even shared that the size was about 3 times of a basketball court. I defended by saying it was only about 1-2 size of a basketball court, because I went to the open house in 2017 and I saw it with my eyes. It wasn't as big as what EthanEthan had suggested. I then said that his posts were overstated comments and were meant to deceive the people. What exactly was his intention to overstate a post? The principle of him trying to delude the people there was wrong, but yet people felt that the gym was a trivial issue and I must agree with that. I was not against the gym, I was against his principle and motive.
11. Cant you tell the satire I used in: EJC uses tax payer money to pay for chartered buses? Of course, EthanEthan said that the students of EJC have to pay for the buses, and I acknowledge him/her for saying that.
12. I justified that the designed time slots for EJC were at least 2 times per session for clubs and societies, opposed to the 1 time that EthanEthan has proposed. I was absolutely stunned when matters of EJC are discussed in a NYJC thread. Whatever the reasons he cited, the fact is that the engineered schedule is 2x a week.
13. When did I say that there is no difference when lessons start at 730am, 8am, 830am? His reason was that when lessons start earlier, CCAs start earlier and a student can go home earlier. However, I refuted by stating that there were CCAs that start at a fixed timing of 6pm or even 5pm that can end up as late as 830pm.
Please read the posts in greater details.
The issue is when you start posting these false comments, your intention was to clearly to mislead, hoping that nobody will find out and highlight it. Unfortunately, the kiasu forum-goers here are not as gullible as you take us for
If you forgot exactly when you have ORIGINALLY posted, I would suggest you go back and read them more in detail. So in the future, please do not accuse others of posting false information when you yourself are the Master in it. Better still if you can leave this thread since you 'claimed\" that you did not studied in NYJC or have children studying there. -
mindays:
Moderators please set in. There is always this usual infamous bunch of people that lurks around a harmless thread, posting irrelevant materials or unhelpful posts. It will be very much appreciated if this thread can benefit genuinely interested parents, be it ex or prospective. I think justice has to be served for this college and we must not let this bunch of people continue practising their sorcery.
It's disconcerting to see the to-and-fro OT arguments flooding the various threads, drowning out useful sharing of information and putting off well-meaning parents from posting relevant pointers. It's high time to move all these irrelevant posts to Rants and keep the JC threads strictly for pertinent information sharing.
I find the ganging up on a particular forummer an horrendous act of cyber bullying. As mature adults, we should be good models and not act in such a manner. While some parents may think that they are defending EJC, what will prospective students think after reading all those posts? Are the EJC parents suffering from a crisis of low self esteem and showing a lack of confidence in the new school?
On the other hand, while one may be justifiably proud of NYJC's achievements (given its steady ascent over the years), there is no need to drum up dubious statistics or cast disparaging comments about other JCs just to boost NYJC's standing.
Moderators, I hope there will be greater vigilance in responding to requests to rein in unruly and unreasonable behavior which if left unchecked will result in KSP degenerating into another juvenile forum.
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