Affiliated Schools and their COPs

[phtthp]

Orb:

zac's mum:

By 2019, MOE’s new edict says that the schools must reserve at least 20% of their seats for non-affiliates.


If you notice, ACS Barker has already started to accept non-affiliates. Some other schools - Fairfield N(A) stream & St Pat’s Express stream - still welcomed back ALL their affiliated students & left no places for outsiders.

This is expected to change by 2019.

I’ll like to offer a different view. Taking ACS Barker & St Patrick’s as an example. With a T-score of 241, a non-affiliate would unlikely opt for St Pat’s with the many options available to the pupil.

At this point, assuming that no non-affiliate opts for St Pat’s or less than 20% opt for St Pat’s, then can the school accept more of her affiliate pupils from her feeder schools? This is not covered by MOE.

hi Orb,

you have asked a very good question, concerning what if after Psle, after end of S1 posting, there are still remaining (balance) vacant seats still not taken up by outsiders (Non-affliates) ?

For St Patrick, besides entry in Sec 1 (right after Psle) : is there a second round of intake at Sec 3, eg : via DSA in Sec 3 ?

If yes, then cannot touch those empty, vacant seats, that are reserved for Non-affliated students.

But, if don't have, school should let go those seats to whoever (student) is interested to seek Transfer into St Patrick, for O-level

[zac's mum]

Zeit:

Serious? Leave the seats unfilled and waste them if there are no takers from both internal and external?


That's a terrible MOE policy! Then you'll have to close down St Pat's very soon as their teacher : student ratio moves below the national average as it struggles to cope with under-enrolment!

A complete wastage of infrastructure, human resources and tax payers' monies.

Then Archbishop / Reverend will ask the ministry...Why don't you let my junior brothers take up the unfilled vacancies if outsiders don't covet my secondary school? We're govt-aided in case you've forgotten!

Well it may not be as dire as you think.

(A lower teacher:student ratio would actually be better for the kids’ learning, and could boost the school’s O level results in the longer-term, but that’s a side issue.)

What I can suggest as a possible strategy is, a “cross-pollination” of sorts among the various Catholic schools.

So for eg a boy from SJI Junior who does not meet SJI Secondary’s affiliate COP, can apply to St Pat’s as 1st choice, and St Anthony’s Canossian Secondary as his 2nd choice, St Gabriel’s Secondary as his 3rd choice...

And likewise for the CHIJ schools. A girl from eg CHIJ TPY Primary who does not meet the affiliated COP for CHIJ TPY Secondary, can apply to CHIJ St Joseph’s Convent as her 1st choice, CHIJ St Theresa’s Convent as her 2nd choice, CHIJ Katong Convent as her 3rd choice...

Still got some “familiar” safety net right?

[phtthp]

zac's mum:

Zeit:

Serious? Leave the seats unfilled and waste them if there are no takers from both internal and external?


That's a terrible MOE policy! Then you'll have to close down St Pat's very soon as their teacher : student ratio moves below the national average as it struggles to cope with under-enrolment!

A complete wastage of infrastructure, human resources and tax payers' monies.

Then Archbishop / Reverend will ask the ministry...Why don't you let my junior brothers take up the unfilled vacancies if outsiders don't covet my secondary school? We're govt-aided in case you've forgotten!

Well it may not be as dire as you think.

(A lower teacher:student ratio would actually be better for the kids’ learning, and could boost the school’s O level results in the longer-term, but that’s a side issue.)

What I can suggest as a possible strategy is, a “cross-pollination” of sorts among the various Catholic schools.

So for eg a boy from SJI Junior who does not meet SJI Secondary’s affiliate COP, can apply to St Pat’s as 1st choice, and St Anthony’s Canossian Secondary as his 2nd choice, St Gabriel’s Secondary as his 3rd choice...

And likewise for the CHIJ schools. A girl from eg CHIJ TPY Primary who does not meet the affiliated COP for CHIJ TPY Secondary, can apply to CHIJ St Joseph’s Convent as her 1st choice, CHIJ St Theresa’s Convent as her 2nd choice, CHIJ Katong Convent as her 3rd choice...

Still got some “familiar” safety net right?

St Anthony Cannosian Secondary is an All-Girls school, boys cannot go there.

[Zeit]

zac's mum:

Well it may not be as dire as you think.


What I can suggest as a possible strategy is, a “cross-pollination” of sorts among the various Catholic schools.

So for eg a boy from SJI Junior who does not meet SJI Secondary’s affiliate COP, can apply to St Pat’s as 1st choice, and St Anthony’s Canossian Secondary as his 2nd choice, St Gabriel’s Secondary as his 3rd choice...

And likewise for the CHIJ schools. A girl from eg CHIJ TPY Primary who does not meet the affiliated COP for CHIJ TPY Secondary, can apply to CHIJ St Joseph’s Convent as her 1st choice, CHIJ St Theresa’s Convent as her 2nd choice, CHIJ Katong Convent as her 3rd choice...

Still got some “familiar” safety net right?

Seems like they have already been re-distributing themselves all these years. I notice the better scorers from St Stephen's boys will traditionally head to SJI, whilst the weaker ones stay put in St Pat's.

Maybe you're right it's not that dire for the Catholic boys schools as phtthp noted they only take in the boys of St Anthony and De La Salle, so they won't hit the 80% quota easily, despite generously receiving from 3 affiliate juniors. :evil:

Moreover, before I forget, the ministry also announced that ALL secondary schools can take in 20% students via DSA. Perhaps this policy enables these affiliated secondary schools to 'rescue' their brethren thru DSA sports or arts by accepting them all under their wings

20% DSA intake (even if all DSA'd are own affiliates) not counted as part of the 80%, right? :rotflmao:

[Zeit]

zac's mum


RE: Low teacher:pupil ratio yields better performance in O levels. I don't know if AGO will allow that kind of luxury to exist...These are not Pathlight or Northlight. Already the recently merged schools have been experiencing falling enrolments.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/some-merged-schools-still-suffer-falling-enrolments


I was wondering if MOE is trying to divert ousted affiliates (assuming they will need to leave non-affiliate seats unfilled like you speculate) to those currently under-enrolled merged secondary schools? In a way, they will get students to mix with peers from diverse backgrounds. Break up the solidarity and redistribute them to the neighbourhood govt schools. This govt is trying to get people to interact with one another. :roll:

[opheliatam]

Thank you so much Zac’s mom!! Very useful!! would love to see histoty COP as well. Kudos to you!!

[zac's mum]

opheliatam:

Thank you so much Zac's mom!! Very useful!! would love to see histoty COP as well. Kudos to you!!

If you are referring to my “ranking” of all the secondary schools by COP, I have posted it at this thread:
https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=91634

I’m awaiting the September publication of MOE’s PDF booklet before I produce the 2017 COP tables. Then we can compare 2016-2017 changes. Akan datang!

[zac's mum]

If anyone needs convincing about the usefulness of affiliation priority, let me share a case example.


My niece scored 221 for her PSLE. Her primary school is a regular heartland neighborhood school, no affiliation. At 221, she cannot qualify for Crescent Girls School (240) nor St Margaret’s (240), both considered good schools for girls in the West side of the island.

She entered Hua Yi Secondary instead, a nondescript neighborhood school near Jurong. Received mediocre O level results and now at Poly because missed Anderson JC COP.

At 221, if she was from the affiliated primary school, she could have gone to MGS Secondary (221), or SCGS Secondary (220). Far more reputable schools, and without distraction from rowdy hormonal boys.

[Zeit]

zac's mum:

I believe MOE’s rule is they must reserve at least 20% for outsiders. To me, that translates to leaving those seats unfilled if there’s insufficient demand.

I found the answer. If 80% has been filled up by affiliates (Affiliates fill vacancies first before non-affiliates), the extras will be considered alongside other non-affiliates based on their AL scores/Tscores until the last vacancy is filled.

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[floppy]

zac's mum:

...
She entered Hua Yi Secondary instead, a nondescript neighborhood school near Jurong. Received mediocre O level results and now at Poly because missed Anderson JC COP.
...

If near Jurong, not hitting AJC COP (12/12) would not have been such a big deal.
I would assume using PJC / JJC (17 /14) as a yardstick would have made more sense.