Affiliated Schools and their COPs

[opheliatam]

Thank you so much Zac’s mom!! Very useful!! would love to see histoty COP as well. Kudos to you!!

[zac's mum]

opheliatam:

Thank you so much Zac's mom!! Very useful!! would love to see histoty COP as well. Kudos to you!!

If you are referring to my “ranking” of all the secondary schools by COP, I have posted it at this thread:
https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=91634

I’m awaiting the September publication of MOE’s PDF booklet before I produce the 2017 COP tables. Then we can compare 2016-2017 changes. Akan datang!

[zac's mum]

If anyone needs convincing about the usefulness of affiliation priority, let me share a case example.


My niece scored 221 for her PSLE. Her primary school is a regular heartland neighborhood school, no affiliation. At 221, she cannot qualify for Crescent Girls School (240) nor St Margaret’s (240), both considered good schools for girls in the West side of the island.

She entered Hua Yi Secondary instead, a nondescript neighborhood school near Jurong. Received mediocre O level results and now at Poly because missed Anderson JC COP.

At 221, if she was from the affiliated primary school, she could have gone to MGS Secondary (221), or SCGS Secondary (220). Far more reputable schools, and without distraction from rowdy hormonal boys.

[Zeit]

zac's mum:

I believe MOE’s rule is they must reserve at least 20% for outsiders. To me, that translates to leaving those seats unfilled if there’s insufficient demand.

I found the answer. If 80% has been filled up by affiliates (Affiliates fill vacancies first before non-affiliates), the extras will be considered alongside other non-affiliates based on their AL scores/Tscores until the last vacancy is filled.

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[floppy]

zac's mum:

...
She entered Hua Yi Secondary instead, a nondescript neighborhood school near Jurong. Received mediocre O level results and now at Poly because missed Anderson JC COP.
...

If near Jurong, not hitting AJC COP (12/12) would not have been such a big deal.
I would assume using PJC / JJC (17 /14) as a yardstick would have made more sense.

[zac's mum]

Zeit:

zac's mum:

I believe MOE’s rule is they must reserve at least 20% for outsiders. To me, that translates to leaving those seats unfilled if there’s insufficient demand.

I found the answer. If 80% has been filled up by affiliates (Affiliates fill vacancies first before non-affiliates), the extras will be considered alongside other non-affiliates based on their AL scores/Tscores until the last vacancy is filled.

https://s15.postimg.cc/v6y69dj7f/80percent.png\">

Thanks! Great research skills! So that solves your “worry” of leaving classroom seats empty. All will be filled. The non-affiliate COP will then stabilize over time to reflect the demand more accurately.

[galaxyraider]

Zeit:

zac's mum:

Well it may not be as dire as you think.


What I can suggest as a possible strategy is, a “cross-pollination” of sorts among the various Catholic schools.

So for eg a boy from SJI Junior who does not meet SJI Secondary’s affiliate COP, can apply to St Pat’s as 1st choice, and St Anthony’s Canossian Secondary as his 2nd choice, St Gabriel’s Secondary as his 3rd choice...

And likewise for the CHIJ schools. A girl from eg CHIJ TPY Primary who does not meet the affiliated COP for CHIJ TPY Secondary, can apply to CHIJ St Joseph’s Convent as her 1st choice, CHIJ St Theresa’s Convent as her 2nd choice, CHIJ Katong Convent as her 3rd choice...

Still got some “familiar” safety net right?

Seems like they have already been re-distributing themselves all these years. I notice the better scorers from St Stephen's boys will traditionally head to SJI, whilst the weaker ones stay put in St Pat's.

Maybe you're right it's not that dire for the Catholic boys schools as phtthp noted they only take in the boys of St Anthony and De La Salle, so they won't hit the 80% quota easily, despite generously receiving from 3 affiliate juniors. :evil:

Moreover, before I forget, the ministry also announced that ALL secondary schools can take in 20% students via DSA. Perhaps this policy enables these affiliated secondary schools to 'rescue' their brethren thru DSA sports or arts by accepting them all under their wings

20% DSA intake (even if all DSA'd are own affiliates) not counted as part of the 80%, right? :rotflmao:

Yes. I think you're right that DSA intake is counted under the 20% even though the students come from feeder schools. This way the school can still save the feeder students who are not accepted through DSA as part of the 80%.

[Zappy]

Actually, I don’t think that comes into the DSA consideration at all. Schools now have limited slots to take in talents via DSA and we can see the competition is high from the DSA threads. I may be wrong but I really doubt the secondary school trials and interviews will scan for weaker students from their affiliate primary schools to give them the slots to "save" them.

[Estéema]

Competition is indeed very stiff based on last year’s experience. We saw many hopefuls who DSA Theo talents as well as academic, but failed.


We have a case of one of top tennis player, wooed by sec sch but advised not to try IP track based on Pri results but encouraged to try DSA Express route. Then ano ‘good’ golfer who failed to DSA even tho a bright chap, whereas a better golfer fr neigbourhood school clinch the only DSA place under golf category.

We hv 2 examples of both a GEPper & one who gets all four subjs awards yearly since P3 and overall student award, yet both did not get a CO via Academic.

It won’t get easier when MOE centralize DSA process. After August, hopefully parents can share more of their successes of failure & my guess is we’ll see DSA as a route more to secure places for talents who can manage studies, whilst those with no talents will need to use T-Score thro S1 Posting. JMO.

[Zeit]

Zappy:

Actually, I don't think that comes into the DSA consideration at all. Schools now have limited slots to take in talents via DSA and we can see the competition is high from the DSA threads. I may be wrong but I really doubt the secondary school trials and interviews will scan for weaker students from their affiliate primary schools to give them the slots to \"save\" them.

Perhaps you were thinking of those few top IP schools (with pri affiliates) that are very competitive and understandably they won't be that 'charitable' and will be highly selective so as to maintain the high standard of their respective OP/IP schools. However, I was thinking of the lower rung ones on zac's mum's list of 27 schools. Now that MOE has set 20% for Express, 20% for N(A), 20% for N(T), I'm sure the less sought after affiliated secondary schools may take in more of their sportsmen from the junior section. E.g. St Andrew's has the liberty to take in its entire rugby junior team (some for Express, some for Normal stream); or Ngee Ann Secondary can take in most of NAPS' soccer team players, if it so chooses.