Nanyang Girls' High School [*IP]
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lee_yl:
lee_yl,
Harry and Ganjiong, both of you are NY parents right? We are talking about the cultural differences here lah, not saying that NY is not a good school.Harrychew:
Agree. I find it hilarious that local kiasu parents are calling the kettle black. Anyway the PRC kids get into top secondary schools on their own merit, unlike the enrollment of choice primary schools which is largely dominated by alumni, grassroots and PV.
If anything, I much prefer my kid to study and make friends with hardworking students, instead of students who got in because of their \"aboriginal status\" or because their parents are alumni.
If my DD2 makes the cut and wants to join NYGH, then by all means go as NYGH is a very good school. There’s no need to be in awe of PRCs. My DH did his post grad studies in 北大 and we stayed in Beijing for some time. Through my interactions with them, I view them as equals and never 把中国人当神来拜！
Btw, nothing wrong for parents to follow the MOE rules to do 2 years of PV to exchange for a chance to ballot for a school of their choice. Singaporean kids deserve the priority (over foreigners and PRs) during P1 registration by virtue of their sunken roots here. The same logic is universal and applied in all countries
Yup! I'm also talking about the PRC cultures too. That's why I say the difference between Singaporean & PRC's study attitudes. -
Harrychew:
I don't worship PRC, neither do I hate them as individuals (as a country, PRC is a huge problem, but that's another issue). What I find objectionable is the word \"bitch\" being used to categorize PRC in Singapore ... as if locals are all saints and angels. There are no lack of nasty Singaporeans around, like that rich auntie who recently got hauled to court for using her sports car to block orchard road, or locals who are just as vicious in office politics.
Harry and Ganjiong, both of you are NY parents right? We are talking about the cultural differences here lah, not saying that NY is not a good school.lee_yl:
[quote=\"Harrychew\"]Agree. I find it hilarious that local kiasu parents are calling the kettle black. Anyway the PRC kids get into top secondary schools on their own merit, unlike the enrollment of choice primary schools which is largely dominated by alumni, grassroots and PV.
If anything, I much prefer my kid to study and make friends with hardworking students, instead of students who got in because of their \"aboriginal status\" or because their parents are alumni.
If my DD2 makes the cut and wants to join NYGH, then by all means go as NYGH is a very good school. There’s no need to be in awe of PRCs. My DH did his post grad studies in 北大 and we stayed in Beijing for some time. Through my interactions with them, I view them as equals and never 把中国人当神来拜！
Btw, nothing wrong for parents to follow the MOE rules to do 2 years of PV to exchange for a chance to ballot for a school of their choice. Singaporean kids deserve the priority (over foreigners and PRs) during P1 registration by virtue of their sunken roots here. The same logic is universal and applied in all countries
There seem to be a hidden agenda to ostracize and maybe reduce the number of smart and hardworking foreign students and kids of 1st generation PR/citizens from top schools, so that the \"aboriginals\" can have a better chance. If ever MOE bend to the will of these \"aboriginals\", NYGH will cease to be a renowned top high schools in Asia.
I disagree with alumni, grassroots and PV getting priority into primary schools. Primary school enrollment should be prioritized according to nationality and home distance to school only. It is a complete joke that only around 20 slots are left for Phase 2C for the likes of NYPS and Henry Park. In giving so much priority to alumni, grassroots and PV, where do the rest of Singaporeans stand? The current primary school enrollment is a complete disgrace to the ethos of Singapore, particularly so because most of popular primary schools have massive discount to gain entry into the popular high schools. Perhaps the solution is to completely remove the affiliation discount to enroll into high schools.[/quote]Being “bitchy” is just an informal adjective to mean spitefully critical, apt description of certain behaviour, only that it happens with a particular group. No need to be too sensitive unless someone’s tail has been stepped on
Regretfully, the use of “aboriginal “ is especially repugnant. Smacks of modern colonialism where a self-anointed superior group lords over the primitive aborigines. No wonder the backlash from the locals who feel that the nation-state painstakingly built up is morphing into something else -
lee_yl:
:goodpost:
Being “bitchy” is just an informal adjective to mean spitefully critical, apt description of certain behaviour, only that it happens with a particular group. No need to be too sensitive unless someone’s tail has been stepped on
Regretfully, the use of “aboriginal “ is especially repugnant. Smacks of modern colonialism where a self-anointed superior group lords over the primitive aborigines. No wonder the backlash from the locals who feel that the nation-state painstakingly built up is morphing into something else -
lee_yl:
You win liao lor. Can say calling others \"bitch\" as ok, but \"aboriginal\" is an offensive word. I wonder what else you teach your kids?
Being “bitchy” is just an informal adjective to mean spitefully critical, apt description of certain behaviour, only that it happens with a particular group. No need to be too sensitive unless someone’s tail has been stepped onHarrychew:
I don't worship PRC, neither do I hate them as individuals (as a country, PRC is a huge problem, but that's another issue). What I find objectionable is the word \"bitch\" being used to categorize PRC in Singapore ... as if locals are all saints and angels. There are no lack of nasty Singaporeans around, like that rich auntie who recently got hauled to court for using her sports car to block orchard road, or locals who are just as vicious in office politics.
There seem to be a hidden agenda to ostracize and maybe reduce the number of smart and hardworking foreign students and kids of 1st generation PR/citizens from top schools, so that the \"aboriginals\" can have a better chance. If ever MOE bend to the will of these \"aboriginals\", NYGH will cease to be a renowned top high schools in Asia.
I disagree with alumni, grassroots and PV getting priority into primary schools. Primary school enrollment should be prioritized according to nationality and home distance to school only. It is a complete joke that only around 20 slots are left for Phase 2C for the likes of NYPS and Henry Park. In giving so much priority to alumni, grassroots and PV, where do the rest of Singaporeans stand? The current primary school enrollment is a complete disgrace to the ethos of Singapore, particularly so because most of popular primary schools have massive discount to gain entry into the popular high schools. Perhaps the solution is to completely remove the affiliation discount to enroll into high schools.
Regretfully, the use of “aboriginal “ is especially repugnant. Smacks of modern colonialism where a self-anointed superior group lords over the primitive aborigines. No wonder the backlash from the locals who feel that the nation-state painstakingly built up is morphing into something else
Black is white, white is black, so long as it benefits yourself it is moral and good; no need to care about others, just like your full agreement of the current unfair primary school enrollment system. -
I also feel the word \"aboriginal\" rather offensive, because it does carry a tinge of racism. It is better to use the word \"Indigenous\" lah.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2015/08/why-saying-aborigine-isnt-ok-8-facts-about-indigenous-people-in-australia/
\"*itch\" also not very nice also lah. -
laughingcat:
The word aboriginal is only offensive in Australia context. This is a proper English term used widely around the world without any negative meaning. In Malaysia, Indonesia and Taiwan, the term \"aboriginal\" is a neutral descriptive word used widely to describe the natives. In parts of USA, \"Native American\" also has some negative connotation, so should everyone stop using \"native\" or get offended by it?I also feel the word \"aboriginal\" rather offensive, because it does carry a tinge of racism. It is better to use the word \"Indigenous\" lah.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2015/08/why-saying-aborigine-isnt-ok-8-facts-about-indigenous-people-in-australia/
\"*itch\" also not very nice also lah.
On the other hand, \"Bitch\" means a female dog in the formal sense. Calling people \"bitch\" is plain vulgarity all over the world, even if you are only saying it behind their backs. It means you are swearing that the other person is having sex with strangers just like female dogs, i.e. without moral values. This word is on same level as the most vulgar Hokkien word describing a female organ.
Amazing that there are parents here who think nothing of using \"bitch\" in this family friendly forum to label other people and think it is cool, or at worst \"not nice\" only
I am outta here. This place has too many filthy fingers. -
Harrychew:
The joke is on you who deliberately choose to distort my words. I didn’t call anyone a bitch!? I only repeated an informal adjective used (by an aboriginal girl in NYGH) to describe a behaviour.
You win liao lor. Can say calling others \"bitch\" as ok, but \"aboriginal\" is an offensive word. I wonder what else you teach your kids?lee_yl:
Being “bitchy” is just an informal adjective to mean spitefully critical, apt description of certain behaviour, only that it happens with a particular group. No need to be too sensitive unless someone’s tail has been stepped on
Regretfully, the use of “aboriginal “ is especially repugnant. Smacks of modern colonialism where a self-anointed superior group lords over the primitive aborigines. No wonder the backlash from the locals who feel that the nation-state painstakingly built up is morphing into something else
Black is white, white is black, so long as it benefits yourself it is moral and good; no need to care about others, just like your full agreement of the current unfair primary school enrollment system.
It’s most presumptuous of you to label the current P1 registration system as unfair and anyone who supports it as “immoral”. The current system is not perfect and could be improved but at the very least, there’s transparency and strict enforcement of the rules. Plus MOE has been listening to feedback to tweak it. Or is this just a red herring you throw out when you are losing the argument? -
Cool down parents. This thread is getting a bit touchy.
Let’s leave it as it is. -
phtthp:
Re \"Cherry picking\" top girls, I think many might have mis-understood Mdm Heng's good intention, I remember her mentioning this during one of her talks, that she wanted the school to be as diverse as possible and it is good to have girls from different schools bringing in different culture. She wanted neighbourhood school girls to also have the opportunity to study in NY.
again, u have mis-understood.Zappy:
Wow, touchy.
Based on your question, you're implying that NYGH invites people in based on some P5 event for the DSA interview which I thought (and is in all MOE materials) was something that had to be applied for.
That's why much earlier : lee_yl had already mentioned (questioned) \"why cherry-pick Top students, from so many primary schools ?\" in Sg -
Harrychew:
NYGH former principal was very open in encouraging students from neighborhood schools to apply for DSA, to extend of saying that neighborhood students will get higher priority. So in NYGH DSA selection, if there are 2 students of roughly equal caliber, the student from neighborhood school will stand a higher chance than the other student from well known primary school.
Words get around, and many of neighborhood top girls applied. Without DSA, many of these top girls from neighborhood primary schools would have chosen other schools (like Cedar, SNGS etc) during S1 posting, because their classmates are going there. As for the SAP primary schools' students who did not succeed in DSA to NYGH, they will still choose NYGH if they meet the PSLE cut off since their parents insisted so.
This, I think is the shrewd strategy of the former principal that partly propelled the school to the top (given that NYGH was consistently below RGS, RI and HCI just a decade ago). Of course with DSA much reduced since last year, this strategy will no longer work for other schools if they choose to emulate it.Song22:
Hi (Harry, Mr Song),
Re \"Cherry picking\" top girls, I think many might have mis-understood Mdm Heng's good intention, I remember her mentioning this during one of her talks, that she wanted the school to be as diverse as possible and it is good to have girls from different schools bringing in different culture. She wanted neighbourhood school girls to also have the opportunity to study in NY.
For diversity, fight for talent and given an opportunity to study in Nanyang Girls’ High -
for those P5 Top (Mainstream / Gep) girls coming from 100+ neighbourhood schools, who got selected (short-listed) by their own school Principal / Form Teachers from their own individual primary schools, to attend NYGH “special invitation” events, after P5 SA1 : usually, what is their chance of receiving a DSA (Confirmed Offer / Wait list), like ?
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