2018 PSLE Discussions & Strategies (Born in 2006)

[floppy]

shuangbaoma:

floppy:

Hearsay, these are the people who don’t understand the term “moderation” and how “moderation” works.

Hearsay, it means they were never really that good.

This is quite mean.

I prefer to call it, “being honest”.

As per lee_yl post, A* = 91 in school doesn’t mean A* during PSLE. Some students may be top in their school, but are they top-er in Bishan or top-est in Singapore?

[6thisnthat9]

The original question is asking whether the grades eg. A, A*, B etc, on result slip is based on the raw score by the student. We all know that tscore is \"adjusted\" taking into account of difficulty of paper and performance of cohort.


The 2nd part of the discussion is more on the perceived performance vs actual ranked performance.
Narrow taller bell curve vs broader shorter bell curve may be one factor.

Changes in policy and how they are implemented /phased in different schools could be another factor.

phtthp:

lego:

I think it’s adjusted.
Don’t think A* = 91 in PSLE.
Can’t remember which year was it but many complained about the difficult maths paper.
In the end, the grades were quite good even though they didn’t finish all the questions.

This year, hearsay that in some popular schools, students from Top 3 classes cried when saw their PSLE results , because their score fell into 22x to 230 range, when they were expecting at least 250.

Or is it after moderation (adjustment), caused this to happen ?

[valiant88]

6thisnthat9:

The original question is asking whether the grades eg. A, A*, B etc, on result slip is based on the raw score by the student. We all know that tscore is \"adjusted\" taking into account of difficulty of paper and performance of cohort.


The 2nd part of the discussion is more on the perceived performance vs actual ranked performance.
Narrow taller bell curve vs broader shorter bell curve may be one factor.

Changes in policy and how they are implemented /phased in different schools could be another factor.

phtthp:

[quote=\"lego\"]
I think it’s adjusted.
Don’t think A* = 91 in PSLE.
Can’t remember which year was it but many complained about the difficult maths paper.
In the end, the grades were quite good even though they didn’t finish all the questions.

This year, hearsay that in some popular schools, students from Top 3 classes cried when saw their PSLE results , because their score fell into 22x to 230 range, when they were expecting at least 250.

Or is it after moderation (adjustment), caused this to happen ?

[/quote]Actually MOE has never really been clear about whether the grades are adjusted to bell curve or not.

Looking at the following link it seem to imply it is not, which I will take to mean that in a year where the paper is extremely easy, there can be lots of students scoring A* but their T-score will be lower as compared to another year.

http://www.ifaq.gov.sg/SEAB/apps/fcd_faqmain.aspx?qst=hRhkP9BzcBImsx2TBbssMsxu7lqt6UJK70a1wAEVmyfdSZlp3kC3qEU1uwdD2zxBC8h26bwjs%2FIwvamUXpJQllIbGr3zfx%2Fg6R5G3kQwdaBqrmc6VVtGVreSd34s3fzQd2XjpEaXHjFH9k4Aky4ad22Tv9ZVP3e82AhV2YIeMwaGIBKFIrvh5zfUcyEdjkBGvw8b%2Bh1woqMmu1%2FCwl6UK4xSGccfs%2FuC2rGMLPsW7lE%3D#FAQ_93280


True or not? I have no idea.

[6thisnthat9]

Hi valient88, i thought so too

6thisnthat9:

Some one mentioned in this topic not too long ago, grades eg. A or A* do not translate so directly to Tscore.
Hence, as tscore is considered adjusted, taking into account of mean and std dev which means taking into account of standard of paper and cohort. But grades shld be derived from raw scores.

So comparing kids with 1A* and 3As with those getting 2A* and 2As, tscores can vary differently.

lego:

[quote=\"valiant88\"]
Question : Is the grading of the current PSLE being adjusted according to bell curve or does it reflect the raw score with only T score being bell curve? (i.e. if someone has an A* does it mean that for the paper they get >91% or it will be adjusted depending on what others get?)

I think it’s adjusted.
Don’t think A* = 91 in PSLE.
Can’t remember which year was it but many complained about the difficult maths paper.
In the end, the grades were quite good even though they didn’t finish all the questions.

[/quote]

[Justbear]

Joyymum:

Strange .. for my boy’s case he had enough of co-ed (girls can suddenly tell him they love him or like him) that he told me he wants to go to all boy school. No more nonsense stuffs for him he said. Ok study first

Would you prefer girls suddenly tell him they love him or going to boy school but boy telling him they love him instead?

[Joyymum]

Please la be more mature !


You are trying to say all girl schools are lesbian and all boy schools gay?

Even if lesbian or gay it will still happens in co-ed school why need to pinpoint at the single gender schools?

To think this comes from a parent’s mouth :roll:

[phtthp]

Justbear:

Joyymum:

Strange .. for my boy’s case he had enough of co-ed (girls can suddenly tell him they love him or like him) that he told me he wants to go to all boy school. No more nonsense stuffs for him he said. Ok study first

Would you prefer girls suddenly tell him they love him or going to boy school but boy telling him they love him instead?

you mean ... \"All boys\" Secondary schools now, got gay ?

[Joyymum]

Some parents here really need more EQ!

[phtthp]

valiant88:

Question : Is the grading of the current PSLE being adjusted according to bell curve or does it reflect the raw score with only T score being bell curve? (i.e. if someone has an A* does it mean that for the paper they get >91% or it will be adjusted depending on what others get? )

if originally Raw score was 91 (eg. say, Maths) : candidate could score an A *

But, after moderation (adjustment) based on P6 cohort performance : 91 no longer A *, fall back under A, miss your star :stupid:


In that case, new AL scheme (from 2021 onwards) better ?
If original Raw score is A *, under AL will remain unchanged as a star, because no moderation (adjustment) under AL

[6thisnthat9]

Only MOE can give a definite reply whether raw or adjusted (undisclosed) scores will be used.


But we know that their main consideration is to reduce stress. Knowing tscore means being aware of where one stands and the kids sitting next to him. While it is a useful tool for aggregate measurements, trend analysis on time scale, policy and decision making, it has become apparent that the use of this tool may have deviated from its original intention, causing unhealthy stress and other effects to our precious next generation.

AL banding is saying that, those few points difference are no longer significant in measuring our kids.

Child A scoring 100 vs another scoring 92, they have the same potential and capabilities to take on what they would expect from secondary schools of the same tier. The extra time child A spents to perfect his score by drilling with worksheets after worksheets, tuition after tuition, is better spent taking up another hobby e.g. musical instrument or sport, something enjoyable for the child.
My own take away.

phtthp:

valiant88:

Question : Is the grading of the current PSLE being adjusted according to bell curve or does it reflect the raw score with only T score being bell curve? (i.e. if someone has an A* does it mean that for the paper they get >91% or it will be adjusted depending on what others get? )

if originally Raw score was 91 (eg. say, Maths) : candidate could score an A *

But, after moderation (adjustment) based on P6 cohort performance : 91 no longer A *, fall back under A, miss your star :stupid:


In that case, new AL scheme (from 2021 onwards) better ?
If original Raw score is A *, under AL will remain unchanged as a star, because no moderation (adjustment) under AL