2018 PSLE Discussions & Strategies (Born in 2006)

[lee_yl]

floppy:

phtthp:

[quote=\"lego\"]

I think it’s adjusted.
Don’t think A* = 91 in PSLE.
Can’t remember which year was it but many complained about the difficult maths paper.
In the end, the grades were quite good even though they didn’t finish all the questions.

This year, hearsay that in some popular schools, students from Top 3 classes cried when saw their PSLE results , because their score fell into 22x to 230 range, when they were expecting at least 250.

Or is it after moderation (adjustment), caused this to happen ?

Hearsay, these are the people who don’t understand the term “moderation” and how “moderation” works.

Hearsay, it means they were never really that good.[/quote]Ouch!

Ya, A* = 91 in school doesn’t mean A* during PSLE. My DD2’s tscore is around her school prelims, no surprises.

[hazeline]

I understand the benefits of IP, it was widely announced when it was introduced. Hence, I wasn't asking about the benefits of taking IP at all. I am also fully aware that taking another subject takes up precious time and the high drop out rate. Hence, my question on whether there are any benefits to the COPs etc. It is a practical question.


Nevertheless, thanks for your reply! You have provided the answers that I need - there is no tangible benefit.

pirate:

hazeline:

The benefits of IP is very different from taking third language. Your comparison is unwarranted and hostile. I mentioned that my question is other the benefit of acquiring a new language.

I wanted to know if there is any benefit for taking 3rd language since IP students are entering JC directly, unlike O level students where there is a 2 point bonus for admission into JC.

I saw other parents asking about 3rd language selection here, hence, it was a follow on question. It was a genuine question in my mind, being a first time p6 parent.

It is important for parents to keep in mind what are the supposed benefits of IP (other than entering JC directly), which is primarily to free up time from having to prepare for 'O' levels, and use the time freed up to provide greater breadth in academic and non-academic curriculum, ie. so that the child can be 'stretched' in supposedly non-academic areas.

Taking a 3rd language is itself greater breadth - the kid is learning something outside the usual A-level or IB subjects. It 'stretches' the child. There are any number of experts who are of the view that learning another language develops the brain's cognitive ability. It takes the child out of his/her comfort zone. The different grammar and linguistic rules force the child to think differently from the manner he/she was used to. Indeed, it appears (from the third language thread) that many children find it so challenging to balance taking a 3rd language and keeping up with school curriculum and activities that they drop out of the program within a year, and we are talking about the cream of the crop here, ie. IP students and top 10%.

So, no. If you look at it from a fundamental level, the benefits of IP and taking 3rd language is not very different.

But if you are thinking of tangible perks, then no, there is no obvious tangible benefit to taking a 3rd language if the child is already in IP, other than that the 3rd language can eventually be taken in lieu of a subject (if the child eventually achieves A-level standard in that language), and university faculties may consider knowing a 3rd language as a plus when considering applicants.

If parents think that their child is already sufficiently 'stretched' by IP, and the 'breadth' provided by IP is enough for the child, then have to think very hard whether to take up the additional challenge of doing a 3rd language. The drop out rate suggests it is no joke.

[shuangbaoma]

floppy:

phtthp:

[quote=\"lego\"]

I think it’s adjusted.
Don’t think A* = 91 in PSLE.
Can’t remember which year was it but many complained about the difficult maths paper.
In the end, the grades were quite good even though they didn’t finish all the questions.

This year, hearsay that in some popular schools, students from Top 3 classes cried when saw their PSLE results , because their score fell into 22x to 230 range, when they were expecting at least 250.

Or is it after moderation (adjustment), caused this to happen ?

Hearsay, these are the people who don’t understand the term “moderation” and how “moderation” works.

Hearsay, it means they were never really that good.[/quote]I delete my words. Will not judge others just base on some scores or words.

[floppy]

shuangbaoma:

floppy:

Hearsay, these are the people who don’t understand the term “moderation” and how “moderation” works.

Hearsay, it means they were never really that good.

This is quite mean.

I prefer to call it, “being honest”.

As per lee_yl post, A* = 91 in school doesn’t mean A* during PSLE. Some students may be top in their school, but are they top-er in Bishan or top-est in Singapore?

[6thisnthat9]

The original question is asking whether the grades eg. A, A*, B etc, on result slip is based on the raw score by the student. We all know that tscore is \"adjusted\" taking into account of difficulty of paper and performance of cohort.


The 2nd part of the discussion is more on the perceived performance vs actual ranked performance.
Narrow taller bell curve vs broader shorter bell curve may be one factor.

Changes in policy and how they are implemented /phased in different schools could be another factor.

phtthp:

lego:

I think it’s adjusted.
Don’t think A* = 91 in PSLE.
Can’t remember which year was it but many complained about the difficult maths paper.
In the end, the grades were quite good even though they didn’t finish all the questions.

This year, hearsay that in some popular schools, students from Top 3 classes cried when saw their PSLE results , because their score fell into 22x to 230 range, when they were expecting at least 250.

Or is it after moderation (adjustment), caused this to happen ?

[valiant88]

6thisnthat9:

The original question is asking whether the grades eg. A, A*, B etc, on result slip is based on the raw score by the student. We all know that tscore is \"adjusted\" taking into account of difficulty of paper and performance of cohort.


The 2nd part of the discussion is more on the perceived performance vs actual ranked performance.
Narrow taller bell curve vs broader shorter bell curve may be one factor.

Changes in policy and how they are implemented /phased in different schools could be another factor.

phtthp:

[quote=\"lego\"]
I think it’s adjusted.
Don’t think A* = 91 in PSLE.
Can’t remember which year was it but many complained about the difficult maths paper.
In the end, the grades were quite good even though they didn’t finish all the questions.

This year, hearsay that in some popular schools, students from Top 3 classes cried when saw their PSLE results , because their score fell into 22x to 230 range, when they were expecting at least 250.

Or is it after moderation (adjustment), caused this to happen ?

[/quote]Actually MOE has never really been clear about whether the grades are adjusted to bell curve or not.

Looking at the following link it seem to imply it is not, which I will take to mean that in a year where the paper is extremely easy, there can be lots of students scoring A* but their T-score will be lower as compared to another year.

http://www.ifaq.gov.sg/SEAB/apps/fcd_faqmain.aspx?qst=hRhkP9BzcBImsx2TBbssMsxu7lqt6UJK70a1wAEVmyfdSZlp3kC3qEU1uwdD2zxBC8h26bwjs%2FIwvamUXpJQllIbGr3zfx%2Fg6R5G3kQwdaBqrmc6VVtGVreSd34s3fzQd2XjpEaXHjFH9k4Aky4ad22Tv9ZVP3e82AhV2YIeMwaGIBKFIrvh5zfUcyEdjkBGvw8b%2Bh1woqMmu1%2FCwl6UK4xSGccfs%2FuC2rGMLPsW7lE%3D#FAQ_93280


True or not? I have no idea.

[6thisnthat9]

Hi valient88, i thought so too

6thisnthat9:

Some one mentioned in this topic not too long ago, grades eg. A or A* do not translate so directly to Tscore.
Hence, as tscore is considered adjusted, taking into account of mean and std dev which means taking into account of standard of paper and cohort. But grades shld be derived from raw scores.

So comparing kids with 1A* and 3As with those getting 2A* and 2As, tscores can vary differently.

lego:

[quote=\"valiant88\"]
Question : Is the grading of the current PSLE being adjusted according to bell curve or does it reflect the raw score with only T score being bell curve? (i.e. if someone has an A* does it mean that for the paper they get >91% or it will be adjusted depending on what others get?)

I think it’s adjusted.
Don’t think A* = 91 in PSLE.
Can’t remember which year was it but many complained about the difficult maths paper.
In the end, the grades were quite good even though they didn’t finish all the questions.

[/quote]

[Justbear]

Joyymum:

Strange .. for my boy’s case he had enough of co-ed (girls can suddenly tell him they love him or like him) that he told me he wants to go to all boy school. No more nonsense stuffs for him he said. Ok study first

Would you prefer girls suddenly tell him they love him or going to boy school but boy telling him they love him instead?

[Joyymum]

Please la be more mature !


You are trying to say all girl schools are lesbian and all boy schools gay?

Even if lesbian or gay it will still happens in co-ed school why need to pinpoint at the single gender schools?

To think this comes from a parent’s mouth :roll:

[phtthp]

Justbear:

Joyymum:

Strange .. for my boy’s case he had enough of co-ed (girls can suddenly tell him they love him or like him) that he told me he wants to go to all boy school. No more nonsense stuffs for him he said. Ok study first

Would you prefer girls suddenly tell him they love him or going to boy school but boy telling him they love him instead?

you mean ... \"All boys\" Secondary schools now, got gay ?