Tuition centers should not force parents to accept digital learning at full fees.
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FantasyLandDreams\" post_id=\"1968961\" time=\"1585389681\" user_id=\"105816:
We just completed our first online live tuition class. Took us some time to figure out how to log in but fortunately were in time for class. For the younger kids, will need parents to support.
Ok here comes more reviews from my frens whose kids are in lower primary. Just attended the online lesson today. Two different centres, one English one chinese.
Common problem:
20 plus people log in. Some got dropped off and got to wait for them to get reconnected. Teacher could not ‘see’ the student on screen due to technical problem. Teacher did not see them ‘raise hand via button’. Children claim that it is hard to concentrate, so in the end, parents sat through the lesson with them and etc. Oops...
Perhaps too many students log on at the same time, there were intermittent pauses. But this was only during the first half hour of class.
But strangely the class size was smaller than the usual. Perhaps they opted for other timing during this period.
This being a three hour class, my girl started to lose focus after some time. Had to remind her to focus.
Overall, am ok with the arrangement. Will continue with it for the time being... -
I would like to share my experience with chenlaoshi’s response to the sudden shock ruling in this past week (in fact less than a week). Although he is not a big tuition centre but he runs group classes.
Like everyone, I’m sure he was taken by surprise at the sudden forced closure. Yet he took the time to pause, think very carefully how to solve this problem. He spent the time to explore all various types of platforms before he decided on which one would be the most effective. He kept us parents updated via WhatsApp each step of the way.
He did not rush in to implement any changes. First he assured us that any e-lessons would be free of charge for these 5 weeks shutdown, which is nobody’s fault. For us to trial out and get used to the system first.
Next, he decided to start off with a Pre-recorded video for the missed lesson, log in at own time own target. He even did a how-to video guide in English for us parents to understand how to join the Google Classroom, how to submit homework etc. Then in the lesson video he assured the kids themselves that they could pause at any time if they need to review or finish copying down notes.
Next week will be the first “live” session via Zoom. Again he sends us detailed instructions on how to set it up. With the option to WhatsApp him for any queries.
To me, that should be the gold standard for how to transit to new technology platform. Parents definitely have to assist the kids with setting all this up, including sitting beside them to remind them pay attention etc. How can those tuition centers expect buy-in from parents when they can’t provide proper how-to guide or support?? Add the stress of joining a “live” PAID lesson (no option to refund/defer) at the non-regular timing (no option to select another timing)…makes the parents go nuts with anger and don’t need to wonder why. -
FantasyLandDreams\" post_id=\"1968959\" time=\"1585388359\" user_id=\"105816:
Hi FLD,
Ok I am back here to write my reviews.
For the pre-recorded lesson, still ok, but the lag is quite bad. Wonder if their ‘live’ lesson next week will be ok? Quite frequent ‘screen freeze’ encountered.
For another ‘live’ lesson, due to some technical glitch, cannot access the lesson. Took me an hour to finally able to call in, and another half an hour to resolve the log in access problem.
So maybe for the first lesson, parent better be around to stand by to resolve technical problems.
Appreciate your above sharing.
May we know, for the Sec 1 online Chinese tuition centre which your child just attended,
1) if the original face-face classroom lesson is 2 Hr session duration initially, is this online lesson still 2 hour duration, or they started to cut \"meat\" (content) here & there, just because it went online, eventually end up only 1 hour lesson duration, kind of feel cheated ?
2) for the component like
Chinese comprehension (li jie wen da) or component zuowen, did u observe any difference in the way being conducted online vs. Classroom face-to-face teaching ?
3) did the tuition centre remove the
Tingxie / moxie section, now that it went online ?
4) any other differences u notice, besides the slowness or technical glitch login encountered ?
Thank you, for your kind sharing -
phtthp\" post_id=\"1968981\" time=\"1585397186\" user_id=\"35251:
My answers below.
Hi FLD,FantasyLandDreams\" post_id=\"1968959\" time=\"1585388359\" user_id=\"105816:
Ok I am back here to write my reviews.
For the pre-recorded lesson, still ok, but the lag is quite bad. Wonder if their ‘live’ lesson next week will be ok? Quite frequent ‘screen freeze’ encountered.
For another ‘live’ lesson, due to some technical glitch, cannot access the lesson. Took me an hour to finally able to call in, and another half an hour to resolve the log in access problem.
So maybe for the first lesson, parent better be around to stand by to resolve technical problems.
Appreciate your above sharing.
May we know, for the Sec 1 online Chinese tuition centre which your child just attended,
1) if the original face-face classroom lesson is 2 Hr session duration initially, is this online lesson still 2 hour duration, or they started to cut \"meat\" (content) here & there, just because it went online, eventually end up only 1 hour lesson duration, kind of feel cheated ?
2) for the component like
Chinese comprehension (li jie wen da) or component zuowen, did u observe any difference in the way being conducted online vs. Classroom face-to-face teaching ?
3) did the tuition centre remove the
Tingxie / moxie section, now that it went online ?
4) any other differences u notice, besides the slowness or technical glitch login encountered ?
Thank you, for your kind sharing
Note:
This week’s lesson is pre-recorded, meaning not ‘live’ lesson where teacher is online for you to ask questions. Pre-recorded video kinds of feel like a ‘moving powerpoint’ to me.
1. Total duration of video is about 35min. I won’t say I feel cheated, as whole set of notes is covered in the video. Also, as they typically give the children an hour to write the zuowen during face to face class, so to me the 35min video is reasonable, can’t expect them to give you a full 2 hour video hence. The only downside is perhaps we cannot ask question for this week. Hope they are better next week when they do ‘online live’ lesson.
2. No chinese comprehension this week as you know they do it on alternate week basis roughly. This week is on Qing Jing zuowen, which they read out from notes ( in the video) explaining how to write that zuowen.
3. Ting Xie / mo Xie is still there. After you write out your answer, you ‘click’ for the answer in the video.
4. My dd feedback that the speed of reading out the zuowen notes is faster than her teacher, so must really focus and concentrate. Same comments from my frens with lower primary kids too although they are at another chinese tuition centre. -
zac's mum\" post_id=\"1968972\" time=\"1585395433\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1968972 time=1585395433 user_id=53606]
So far Chen laoshi giving ‘free’ online lesson is the only ‘free’ case I know now. Shows that he really put the children as priority. Hmmn... yes gold class standard... maybe he will become the 网红补习老师soon?
I would like to share my experience with chenlaoshi’s response to the sudden shock ruling in this past week (in fact less than a week). Although he is not a big tuition centre but he runs group classes.
Like everyone, I’m sure he was taken by surprise at the sudden forced closure. Yet he took the time to pause, think very carefully how to solve this problem. He spent the time to explore all various types of platforms before he decided on which one would be the most effective. He kept us parents updated via WhatsApp each step of the way.
He did not rush in to implement any changes. First he assured us that any e-lessons would be free of charge for these 5 weeks shutdown, which is nobody’s fault. For us to trial out and get used to the system first.
Next, he decided to start off with a Pre-recorded video for the missed lesson, log in at own time own target. He even did a how-to video guide in English for us parents to understand how to join the Google Classroom, how to submit homework etc. Then in the lesson video he assured the kids themselves that they could pause at any time if they need to review or finish copying down notes.
Next week will be the first “live” session via Zoom. Again he sends us detailed instructions on how to set it up. With the option to WhatsApp him for any queries.
To me, that should be the gold standard for how to transit to new technology platform. Parents definitely have to assist the kids with setting all this up, including sitting beside them to remind them pay attention etc. How can those tuition centers expect buy-in from parents when they can’t provide proper how-to guide or support?? Add the stress of joining a “live” PAID lesson (no option to refund/defer) at the non-regular timing (no option to select another timing)...makes the parents go nuts with anger and don’t need to wonder why.[/quote]
We’ve actually attended his 2 day p6 hcl compre holiday class last year and found it useful too. After the class, he still replies our queries as well, even though he is not obliged to do so. Thank you Chen laoshi! -
LCentral English so offer free eLearning! Waiting to try it out with my girl.
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Is ‘Chen laoshi’ a tuition centre name? Where is it located?
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This is chenlaoshi:
https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=85&t=95548&start=10 -
https://www.forbes.com/sites/pegtyre/2020/03/17/the-remote-learning-nightmare/#5f925ce77cb7
The Remote Learning Nightmare
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Fact One: Remote education is a bad way to learn.
Fact Two: To even attempt it takes a huge amount of parental involvement.
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Even so, online schools, the researchers discovered, were pretty much of a disaster. Even with all this intensive adult supervision and participation, the students enrolled in these schools still fell so far behind their peers in bricks and mortar classrooms that researchers concluded that the children might have been better off if they had never bothered to log on at all. (See Fact One.)“ -
Hi… Depending on how well the online curriculum is designed (how much efforts designers put into the product, how much educators understand the feasibility of available technology + needs of learners…), home based learning Can work very well.
Taking Moelc’s home based learning via SLS, Google drive, etcetera, as an example… Moelc HBL (so to speak, though no Live broadcast yet) has always been concurrent with classroom teaching, even before the current centre suspensions. I’ve been tracking it the whole time (>1year) alongside my kid’s learning progress. If my child were to just sit in class 3hours a week, he’d not have made it this far, & it’d also have been more difficult for me to plug the gaps. This term, he learns Moelc content completely from HBL, & it has been going superbly well, especially since a lot of time is saved from traveling back & forth (luv it!). So yes, HBL Can be effective - give them some time to iron out the kinks.
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