Affiliated Schools and their COPs

[zac's mum]

zac's mum\" post_id=\"1940540\" time=\"1570626521\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1940540 time=1570626521 user_id=53606]
I have compiled the affiliated schools’ COPs from PSLE year 2016 to 2018. Can’t post as image anymore cos the table is getting too big. I will post in Google docs cloud sharing. It’s set to public settings, so anyone can view. U may need to login to your own Google account, or sign up (free) if you don’t already have one.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qbuudRABee9p86cNQoyomW7PR2DB3Xr6/view?usp=sharing

The exciting update to watch for will be next year after the posting results are out and the actual COP data is released by MOE. We will then see the impact of the 20% cap on the COPs.[/quote]

I have used the information from MOE's School Finder website, to fill in the latest data for the affiliated secondary schools. The 20% cap on affiliates has had the following obvious results:

- ALL the schools now receive non-affiliated students (this was the intention of the new rule);
- ACSBR and St Pat's stand out as having had big reductions in their affiliation discount for Express stream (an expected side-effect of the new rule) because their Express COPs went up by 7-13 points;
- other schools do not seem to be discernibly affected.

Here is the Google docs link (made public):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZzC9NGOVuFhV5vsOVxT6q9O7ZwyEpcGL/view?usp=sharing

[Hendon]

zac's mum\" post_id=\"1979744\" time=\"1591430080\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1979744 time=1591430080 user_id=53606]

zac's mum\" post_id=\"1940540\" time=\"1570626521\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1940540 time=1570626521 user_id=53606]I have compiled the affiliated schools’ COPs from PSLE year 2016 to 2018. Can’t post as image anymore cos the table is getting too big. I will post in Google docs cloud sharing. It’s set to public settings, so anyone can view. U may need to login to your own Google account, or sign up (free) if you don’t already have one.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qbuudRABee9p86cNQoyomW7PR2DB3Xr6/view?usp=sharing

The exciting update to watch for will be next year after the posting results are out and the actual COP data is released by MOE. We will then see the impact of the 20% cap on the COPs.[/quote]

I have used the information from MOE's School Finder website, to fill in the latest data for the affiliated secondary schools. The 20% cap on affiliates has had the following obvious results:

- ALL the schools now receive non-affiliated students (this was the intention of the new rule);
- ACSBR and St Pat's stand out as having had big reductions in their affiliation discount for Express stream (an expected side-effect of the new rule) because their Express COPs went up by 7-13 points;
- other schools do not seem to be discernibly affected.

Here is the Google docs link (made public):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZzC9NGOVuFhV5vsOVxT6q9O7ZwyEpcGL/view?usp=sharing[/quote]

Which might mean ACS and ST Pat's Pri cohort results improved ...

[zac's mum]

Not necessarily. The [U]Cut Off Point[/u] went up. It does not necessarily mean their overall T scores went up.


It simply means those affiliated kids who score below the COP had to go to another school because the 20% cap had been filled to the max already. No more room for the lower scorers.

[zac's mum]

Sorry, I mean the 80% cap on affiliates. The rule says 20% is reserved for non-affiliates.

[floppy]

ACSBR was always expected to be affected. St Pat was a surprise.

[Hendon]

zac's mum\" post_id=\"1979748\" time=\"1591431364\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1979748 time=1591431364 user_id=53606]
Sorry, I mean the 80% cap on affiliates. The rule says 20% is reserved for non-affiliates.[/quote]

I had meant ....both schools COP for affiliated went up because ..... the lowest score for the 80% went up.

[Davischew]

Hendon\" post_id=\"1979781\" time=\"1591439221\" user_id=\"142376:

zac's mum\" post_id=\"1979748\" time=\"1591431364\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1979748 time=1591431364 user_id=53606]Sorry, I mean the 80% cap on affiliates. The rule says 20% is reserved for non-affiliates.

I had meant ....both schools COP for affiliated went up because ..... the lowest score for the 80% went up.[/quote]

I don’t think the lowest 80% went up. For ACSBR eg, it’s simply becoz previous cut off at 100% was 189, now 80% is 198. For ACSBR, those didn’t meet express 198, still able to go NA. But St. Pat is really a surprise mentioned by floppy, those 195 to 200 can’t go in as affiliates.

[lee_yl]

So this year, more seats were released to the non-affiliated applicants? Then by right, the COP for non-affiliates should go down right as more will be able to join the school? But the COP for non-affiliates went up instead.


ST Pat :
2018, for non-affiliates COP @ 229
2019, for non-affiliates COP @ 233

[zac's mum]

lee_yl\" post_id=\"1979841\" time=\"1591503492\" user_id=\"17023:

So this year, more seats were released to the non-affiliated applicants? Then by right, the COP for non-affiliates should go down right as more will be able to join the school? But the COP for non-affiliates went up instead.

ST Pat :
2018, for non-affiliates COP @ 229
2019, for non-affiliates COP @ 233

Not necessarily. Sometimes the non-affiliates are too scared to try, worry about cannot break in to the cliques etc. I recall last year there was so much angst regarding whether non-affiliates can try PLMGS, what kind of T score got chance etc. cos there was no past COP to refer to.

Even if there was some past year COP to refer to, either the non-affiliate applicants were too scared to try if T score too far below the past trend, or...simply not much demand from non-affiliates. I believe the 20% remains reserved even if it’s not filled completely? Don’t think the school is allowed to fill them with affiliates if <20% outsiders apply.

[MerlionInGermany]

lee_yl\" post_id=\"1979841\" time=\"1591503492\" user_id=\"17023:

So this year, more seats were released to the non-affiliated applicants? Then by right, the COP for non-affiliates should go down right as more will be able to join the school? But the COP for non-affiliates went up instead.

ST Pat :
2018, for non-affiliates COP @ 229
2019, for non-affiliates COP @ 233

Maybe because before the 20% thing, fewer non-affiliates chose the school thinking that they may not get in since most places will be taken up so they dont waste the 6 choices, or thinking that they dont want to be in the same school with students coming in at lower scores.

Then when there is the 20% thing, non-affiliates felt they might have a better chance of getting in, so more chose it.

Could it be like this?