* Nanyang JC (NYJC)
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phtthp\" post_id=\"2013432\" time=\"1611801661\" user_id=\"35251:
The CSP and MSP (Chinese/Malay Special Programme) and the associated 2 point deduction is still in the bucket that is limited to a maximum of 4 points deduction (i.e. with HMT, CCA, affiliation).
Correction.
Maximum is 6 points disounted, not 4, and this has got \"Nothing to do with Affliation, whatsoever\",
provided the student
have sat for MSP or CSP language, at Bishan MOE Language centre.
In other words, to get maximum 6 points discounted, you don't even need to look for a Secondary school that offer affliation, if a student has done the following.
How to get maximum 6 points, discounted ?
1) clear your O-level (Higher Chinese), in Sec 4.
2) clear your Cca, with 2 points.
However,
don't assume that every student will definitely scored 2 points for Cca
Because
some students only managed to score 1 Cca point so far, not 2 points which they were hoping for .
3) students who have sat for O-level CSP or MSP language exam, in Sec 4 at Bishan MOE Language centre, would have another extra further 2 bonus points discounted.
Our government often encouraged Secondary school students to learn speak Malay or Chinese.
CSP : Chinese special language
MSP : Malay Special language
can read more , find out more about bonus point discount, from Moe website
https://www.moe.gov.sg/post-secondary/admissions/jae/admission-criteria/
The additional 2 points (i.e. maximum 6 points deduction or theoretical 1LR5 = 0) is from the Chinese Language Elective Program (CLEP), Malay Language Elective Program (MLEP), Tamil Language Elective Program (TLEP). These are much more advanced than CSP/MSP, as CLEP will require you to take H2 CLL (Chinese Language and Literature).
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phtthp\" post_id=\"2013432\" time=\"1611801661\" user_id=\"35251:
Wrong lah!
Correction.
:offtopic:Chewkyk\" post_id=\"2013430\" time=\"1611800752\" user_id=\"152193:
Affiliation or not, the max. no. of points you could deduct from the raw score is 4 only.
Assuming your child has the following advantage:
CCA: 2 (leadership role)
Higher Chinese: 2 (with grade c6 and above)
Affiliation: 2 (Chung Cheng High Yishun/Mountbatten)
Maximum is just 4.
Maximum is 6 points disounted, not 4, and this has got \"Nothing to do with Affliation, whatsoever\",
provided the student
have sat for MSP or CSP language, at Bishan MOE Language centre.
In other words, to get maximum 6 points discounted, you don't even need to look for a Secondary school that offer affliation, if a student has done the following.
How to get maximum 6 points, discounted ?
1) clear your O-level (Higher Chinese), in Sec 4.
2) clear your Cca, with 2 points.
However,
don't assume that every student will definitely scored 2 points for Cca
Because
some students only managed to score 1 Cca point so far, not 2 points which they were hoping for .
3) students who have sat for O-level CSP or MSP language exam, in Sec 4 at Bishan MOE Language centre, would have another extra further 2 bonus points discounted.
Our government often encouraged Secondary school students to learn speak Malay or Chinese.
CSP : Chinese special language
MSP : Malay Special language
can read more , find out more about bonus point discount, from Moe website
https://www.moe.gov.sg/post-secondary/admissions/jae/admission-criteria/
The link you posted already say it all. Max 4. Even if you take HMTL, MSP, CCA 2 points, you still only get max of 4 bonus. The other rare 2 bonus is if you apply and are selected for the [C/M/T]LEP-JC in the respective JCS. -
Hi SG_KP1,
Thank you, for clarification. Appreciated.
I just contacted and clarified with MOE and Yes, you are right.
There is a difference, between students having studied MSP at Bishan (MOELC) and having sat for O-level (MSP) exam vs. students applying for MLEP, in a Junior College.
This is what, MOE clarified.
MOE stated that MLEP is offered, at Junior College level.
If an L1R5 student (X)
is offered MLEP by the Junior College Principal, after L1R5 results are released and
student then proceed to apply for MLEP programme and during the admission joint exercise into a JC, student is successful for MLEP, then Yes, another further 2 more extra bonus points are deducted for this student, making it Total maximum :
6 points deducted.
However,
if another student (Y) have
1) managed to clear 2 Cca points successfully, because not every student will definitely achieved 2 Cca points, some managed to clinche only one Cca point.
2) plus the student have cleared O-level (Higher Chinese) successfully,
3) plus the student have also sat for O-level (MSP) concurrently within the same National year exam and have passed MSP,
but student did not proceed further to apply for any MLEP in a JC,
then Total,
is still 4 points deducted, not 6.
Once again, Thank you, for clarification.
And to
chewkyk,
Sorry, I apologized.
You are correct
MSP : Malay Special Program
The "M" stands for Malay language -
Maximum only 4 points discount , regardless you are affiliated or not.
If affiliated, you get 11 points, you can kiss goodbye to enter NYJc. 11 ~ 4 = 7 points
7 points cannot enter.
Target 10 points to get 4 discount points for non-affiliated but I expect the cutoff point to lower by a point in 1 or 2 years time. So better aim for 9 points for O levels. 9 - 4 = 5 -
Thanks phtthp for the detailed explanation.
I still see taking HMT as an added advantage as the child has up to 2.5 h of free periods in JC and not need to study Chinese anymore, having cleared both MT and HMT at O levels. It’s like killing 2 birds with 1 stone. Any amount of free time is useful to catch up on completing school homework and those JC students who have taken HMT in secondary schools before will have an edge over others in JC as they have 1 less A levels subject to tackle during exam and can focus their time on other A levels core subjects.phtthp\" post_id=\"2013439\" time=\"1611804982\" user_id=\"35251:
Hi SG_KP1,
Thank you, for clarification. Appreciated.
I just contacted and clarified with MOE and Yes, you are right.
There is a difference, between students having studied MSP at Bishan (MOELC) and having sat for O-level (MSP) exam vs. students applying for MLEP, in a Junior College.
This is what, MOE clarified.
MOE stated that MLEP is offered, at Junior College level.
If an L1R5 student (X)
is offered MLEP by the Junior College Principal, after L1R5 results are released and
student then proceed to apply for MLEP programme and during the admission joint exercise into a JC, student is successful for MLEP, then Yes, another further 2 more extra bonus points are deducted for this student, making it Total maximum :
6 points deducted.
However,
if another student (Y) have
1) managed to clear 2 Cca points successfully, because not every student will definitely achieved 2 Cca points, some managed to clinche only one Cca point.
2) plus the student have cleared O-level (Higher Chinese) successfully,
3) plus the student have also sat for O-level (MSP) concurrently within the same National year exam and have passed MSP,
but student did not proceed further to apply for any MLEP in a JC,
then Total,
is still 4 points deducted, not 6.
Once again, Thank you, for clarification.
And to
chewkyk,
Sorry, I apologized.
You are correct
MSP : Malay Special Program
The \"M\" stands for Malay language -
sembgal\" post_id=\"2013457\" time=\"1611814605\" user_id=\"5559:
think amongst students who are born in year (2005, 2006, 2007), the most competitive batch amongst these 3 group, are the piggies (born 2007). Thus, if the piggies batch were to take O-level in year 2023 and the Cut off point for 2024 Nanyang JC1admission by then is lowered, won't be surprised.
Maximum only 4 points discount , regardless you are affiliated or not.
If affiliated, you get 11 points, you can kiss goodbye to enter NYJc. 11 ~ 4 = 7 points
7 points cannot enter.
Target 10 points to get 4 discount points for non-affiliated but I expect the cutoff point to lower by a point in 1 or 2 years time. So better aim for 9 points for O levels. 9 - 4 = 5
Hence, whether student is affliated from Chung Cheng (High or Yishun branch) or not, if they target original Raw score 9 points or better for L1R5, the chance to study in NYJC is still there, but not target 10 points, a bit risky. 9 - 4 = 5, still can enter NYJC, assuming that COP is lowered from 6 (Y 2021), to 5 (in year 2024), this highly, extremely competitive piggies batch (born 2007) -
phtthp\" post_id=\"2013471\" time=\"1611818279\" user_id=\"35251:
Don't need to wait till 2024. Last year, one member said her friend's child got 10-4 but didn't manage to get into NYJC. Hence, if you are targeting NYJC, to have a peace of mind, you should get net 5. This applies even today.
think amongst students who are born in year (2005, 2006, 2007), the most competitive batch amongst these 3 group, are the piggies (born 2007). Thus, if the piggies batch were to take O-level in year 2023 and the Cut off point for 2024 Nanyang JC1admission by then is lowered, won't be surprised.
Hence, whether student is affliated from Chung Cheng (High or Yishun branch) or not, if they target original Raw score 9 points or better for L1R5, the chance to study in NYJC is still there, but not target 10 points, a bit risky. 9 - 4 = 5, still can enter NYJC, assuming that COP is lowered from 6 (Y 2021), to 5 (in year 2024), this highly, extremely competitive piggies batch (born 2007)
Go and read the HCI thread. Someone with net 4 didn't get into HCI even though the COP is 4. To get a peace of mind, a student targeting HCI should get net 3. -
sembgal\" post_id=\"2013467\" time=\"1611817429\" user_id=\"5559:
Hi sembgal,
Thanks phtthp for the detailed explanation.
I still see taking HMT as an added advantage as the child has up to 2.5 h of free periods in JC and not need to study Chinese anymore, having cleared both MT and HMT at O levels. It’s like killing 2 birds with 1 stone. Any amount of free time is useful to catch up on completing school homework and those JC students who have taken HMT in secondary schools before will have an edge over others in JC as they have 1 less A levels subject to tackle during exam and can focus their time on other A levels core subjects.
Yes, fully agree with you !
Based on MOE requirements, as long as a student have achieved D7 or better in his (her) O-level (Higher Mother tongue) at the end of Year 4, when the pupil move up to JC1, student no need to do H1 Chinese, anymore. This free up a lot of precious, valuable time, for the pupil
to concentrate / focus on other core, important A-level H2 subjects (eg. H2 Maths, Chemistry / Physics / Bio or other Humanities) plus H1 General Paper.
On the other hand,
what if students scored (B4, C5, C6 or D7) in their O-level (HCL), and feel that since his (her) results are not good enough, wish to take H1 (Chinese) in JC1, so as to improve their points, for university admission entry ? During one of the open house attended last time pre-covid days, someone posted this question to an IP-JC Chinese HOD, and the HOD replied that it is not necessary to do this -
mamamiya\" post_id=\"2004607\" time=\"1606395020\" user_id=\"6056:
The most recent 2021 Cut-off-Point for Nanyang JC (Science) is 6
Hihi,
I am parent of a P6 child.
My child is torn between AHS and CCHM.
The advantage of CCHM is that it has affliation to NYJC while AHS is affliation to SAJC. But AHS is much nearer to our house as compared to CCHM. May I know if anyone here knows the % of CCHM students making it to NYJC?
vs.
COP for St Andrew JC (Science), at 10.
There is a difference of 4 points, quite big !
Thus, the affliation \"insurance safety net, is safer\" to go Anglican High (affliated to St Andrew JC), than to go Chung Cheng High (affliated to Nanyang JC),
unless
your child's L1R5 Raw score clinched ( 9 to 10) points or better, at Chung Cheng High (Main / Yishun) O-level exam, then can go back to his (her) Affliated Nanyang JC ,
because
If a CCHM Sec 4 student score 11 points, although 11 is a pretty good Raw score, unfortunately,
disappointedly, student still cannot go back to his (her) Affliated NYJC anymore, pupil sadly have to go elsewhere.
Moreover , you mentioned that Anglican High is near your house, so is another great, important added advantage, so convenient ! Nothing beats staying nearby a school, travelling to and fro everyday. Unless you are eyeing or targeting on some special Talent Development programme that is only found in Chung Cheng High, but not available in Anglican High, which your child desired very much, then is a different story -
phtthp\" post_id=\"2013669\" time=\"1612000281\" user_id=\"35251:
Yes, you brought up a good point!
The most recent 2021 Cut-off-Point for Nanyang JC (Science) is 6mamamiya\" post_id=\"2004607\" time=\"1606395020\" user_id=\"6056:
Hihi,
I am parent of a P6 child.
My child is torn between AHS and CCHM.
The advantage of CCHM is that it has affliation to NYJC while AHS is affliation to SAJC. But AHS is much nearer to our house as compared to CCHM. May I know if anyone here knows the % of CCHM students making it to NYJC?
vs.
COP for St Andrew JC (Science), at 10.
There is a difference of 4 points, quite big !
Thus, the affliation \"insurance safety net, is safer\" to go Anglican High (affliated to St Andrew JC), than to go Chung Cheng High (affliated to Nanyang JC),
unless
your child is confident of scoring L1R5 Raw score ( 9 to 10) points or better, at Chung Cheng High (Main / Yishun) O-level exam .
Same goes for ACJC, CJC too for those affiliated secondary schools. If the children cannot get into NYJC, they have affiliated JCs with higher cut off points to fall back on.
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