Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates
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slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2042063\" time=\"1634090196\" user_id=\"28674:
Yes.
If they want people to take reponsibility for themselves, then let the unvaccinated make their own decisions. Advise them, frighten them about the consequences, make it as easy as possible for them to get vaccinated if they can, but let them make their choices. It's like telling the elderly to use pedestrian crossings - if they choose not to, do we man every road to stop them? -
Funny that they ask pp to take Moderna boosters (6-9 mths interval for those who took 2 M doses) when FDA says it's not necessary.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-seeks-covid-19-vaccine-booster-clearance-older-adults-high-risk-2021-10-12/ -
sevenseals\" post_id=\"2042094\" time=\"1634102777\" user_id=\"124401:
Didn't you mention natural immunity some weeks ago? Maybe that's their plan as LW had said we, despite being inoculated, are mostly Covid-naive. OYK even blatantly told us it's a rite of passage we have to undergo.
So let thousands of your friends, associates, fellow Singaporeans die so that you can make more money. The blooxd of thousands of people will be on whose hands?[/quote]Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2042026\" time=\"1634048855\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2042026 time=1634048855 user_id=195250]
Hong Kong is part of China and therefore has to follow the \"zero case\" policy from the Central Government of China. But same as China, this \"zero case\" policy will affect the growth of economy.
The more you open up, the more cases you'll see. The more cases means the healthcare system will be overwhelmed and won't have the energy to take care of the vulnerable. When the ratio of HCW:patient becomes strained, more vulnerable will have to die. This is sadly the price we must pay to open up.
For HK, some experts have said it's cos their vaccination rate of the elderly is too low and moreover, a sizeable portion of them took Sinovac 6 mths ago, which has supposedly waned faster than Pfizer. If Pfizer can already wane so much and so fast (faster than AZ and Moderna, according to HC), Sinovac will fare even worse. All these ''I have a duty to protect our people'' reasons by Carrie Lam are just sugar-coating BS.
It's cos their population will see a mega wave and their healthcare system will collapse very fast once they forsake the 21-day quarantine. They are now waiting out for the rest of the region to be vaccinated before deciding the next steps. Opening up to Mainland is more than enough to sustain HK's increasingly inward-looking economy.![](\"https://i.imgur.com/o5j10XZ.png\")
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slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2042063\" time=\"1634090196\" user_id=\"28674:
All in all, this prohibiting the unvaccinated from malls was a mistake, but they cannot lose face by admitting it. So they make exceptions, and these will grow as people complain, and they will quietly change the policy after a while, and find some reason to say that it is no longer necessary.
but they allow the unvax to dine in upon PETraysusan\" post_id=\"2042056\" time=\"1634088417\" user_id=\"1304:
[quote=pirate post_id=2042043 time=1634080996 user_id=66252]
No lah. It is so that the unvaccinated don't get infected by the vaccinated, and hog up all our limited medical resources.
so contradicting
protect the unvax but allow PET..
This is a policy made by people who drive cars, know how to order online, have the means (and strength) to buy larger quantities at a time, who don't mind paying for deliveries...
If they want people to take reponsibility for themselves, then let the unvaccinated make their own decisions. Advise them, frighten them about the consequences, make it as easy as possible for them to get vaccinated if they can, but let them make their choices. It's like telling the elderly to use pedestrian crossings - if they choose not to, do we man every road to stop them?[/quote]Quite true.Those with the means to pay for deliveries and know how to shop online (groceries, clothes etc) are less affected.
Some unvaccinated seniors, even if staying right next to a mall, will now need to take a public transport to the nearest NTUC.
MOH should provide a list of NTUC outlets which are open to the unvaccinated folks and which are the ones not available. -
Imp75\" post_id=\"2042096\" time=\"1634103267\" user_id=\"2358:
Quite angry with Ong. The CCFs could have been prepared in advance, which was not the case and the hospital system ended up being overwhelmed when we only had 23 cases in the ICU. Not to mention about the outright failures in QO management and contact tracing.
This whole covid management thing is really making me lose faith in the G. Bad policies, unreasonable measures (ban shopping mall is one), vaccine politics at play.......when is the next election? Can't wait.....
MTF themselves failed to control the situation well, but now turn to punishing the unvax by banning them from entering malls etc. On one hand, they claim cases have already stabilized, yet on the other hand, they further tighten the rules?!?!
The unvaccinated folks cannot dine in and cannot enter malls. Can the unvaccinated folks don’t pay income tax as they don’t enjoy full citizens’ rights? -
Read an article that they will provide a list of stores that are open to the UV public. Not sure where I came across that article.
They should have another OneMap for the unvaccinated to refer to. Who the hell knows which Popular bookstore's GFA is <930 sqm or 10,000 sqft?
Fully vaccinated are also affected (albeit to a lesser extent), cos we must shop in pairs in shopping malls too, lest you be booked by the SDAs. We must arrange via WA to meet up at a certain restaurant and eat in separate tables while shopping separately in a mega mall. \\
Not joking hor! That was what happened to me last Sun (though the rule had not kicked in yet) when I went to the restaurant to join my household members who had reached there first and were already seated in pairs at different tables! Stupid right? 83% still must do this to us... :slapshead:
I know the standalone aircon NLB Main is definitely more than 10,000 sqft but unvaccinated can sit there for hours to read newspapers and books, if they enter within the daily 50% capacity. What an irony. -
starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2042101\" time=\"1634105912\" user_id=\"14025:
Unfortunately there are still plenty of elderlies who jaywalk or cycle with little regard to traffic law. But I think most elderlies are sensible enough to follow traffic rule in the interest of self-preservation and those who did not and ultimately paid with their lives are still in the minority and do not strain the first response system.
Yes.slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2042063\" time=\"1634090196\" user_id=\"28674:
If they want people to take reponsibility for themselves, then let the unvaccinated make their own decisions. Advise them, frighten them about the consequences, make it as easy as possible for them to get vaccinated if they can, but let them make their choices. It's like telling the elderly to use pedestrian crossings - if they choose not to, do we man every road to stop them?
A more similar analogy would be probably removing speed limit from roads and expressways. There will still be drivers who understand the importance of driving within a reasonable speed but I bet a large numbers would start speeding and causing accidents left and right, overloading the system. -
If you stepped back and take a closer look at your directives, you will see just how confusing and conflicting your ardent plans for Covid are. This all came from the almighty edicts.
\"live your live as normal as you can, do not be paralysed by fear\"..\"98% of Covid cases have no or very mild symptoms\" . But now its still 2 people at eateries and at the hawkers, despite rules to bar the unvaxxed from eating in. it's pathetic to see families celebrating budget Children's Day or birthdays of their kids over 2 tables at the hawkers..and no mingling. That is not normal, and we have close to 85% vaxxed status now. imagine, that same family live and stay together, yet cannot be seen together outside. Let 8 ppl back in will ya.
\"No need for hawkers to check on customers status\" (on tv last night), saying they won;t have the time and may not know how to properly check because of their age and digital inabilities. But today, a Minister contradicts it on your newspaper.
Yes, people have a choice to be vaxxed or not, but they don;'t have the right to harm those who are, they have choices too. Keep them away till this blows over. The majority will thank them. You rules of can enter malls or hawkers but cannot, but only if, or when and how...is really messy.
More at https://tinyurl.com/3h7vapxa -
This is a new norm of living with covid
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If they ban UV from malls, it’s high time they allowed 5-pax dine-in at mall restaurants for the FV.
For hawker centres and coffee shops, I don’t mind the 2-pax rule for FV, as the UV can still enter to dabao.
Of course UV can also dabao from mall restaurants, but they are waiting at the entrance for pick-up, not queuing right beside my table.
I hope the orange nets and cordon tapes can be a lot tidier and neater. Now our UNESCO-recognised hawker centres look like they are in some a la ‘‘construction site’’ mess in a backward country. Saw some duct taped/cable-tied Safe Entry gateway readers on some wobbly stand or pole. Tsk, 成何体统!
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