2021 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2009)

[iRabbit]

Thinker\" post_id=\"2048478\" time=\"1637857671\" user_id=\"4205:

Exactly. For that reason, my dd rather choose a good O level express sch than NJC/TJC because the CCAs offered at these jc are so limited.

MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"2048454\" time=\"1637853187\" user_id=\"2964:

[quote=SG_KP1 post_id=2048429 time=1637851199 user_id=188234]I hear the arguments on cohort size but have wondered how much it really matters? I can see how it makes more CCAs available but many of them are still competitive as heck to get a spot in…

I brought it up first because everytime I see a comparison between njc/tjc, and another school (any school), my first alarm is cca. And this cca thing stems from cohort size. A nephew was in one of these, he was in the sec school section of a jc, and some ccas are taken up by dsa, couple that with fewer ccas, and then factor in your own flair/talent or lack of talent, and then your interest, you end up with almost nothing to choose. They have no uniform group. If you are not sporty and not musically inclined, nothing is left. Ok I exaggerate but this “struggle” is real.

[/quote]Agree that CCA importance can’t be under-estimated. This is the main reason my son is loving his JC life so much.

[jkorompis]

SpongyBobs\" post_id=\"2048383\" time=\"1637845424\" user_id=\"196018:

SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2048367\" time=\"1637842373\" user_id=\"188234:

[quote=SpongyBobs post_id=2048358 time=1637841488 user_id=196018]A daddy with boy getting AL7(M), staying in CCK area..

Any advise if we try following options? (using 2020 indicative COP)
1. HCI : 7(M)
2. ACS(I) IP : 7
3. RVHS : 9(D)
4. ACS(I) EXP : 9
5. BP Gov High : 11
6. Nan Hua High : 11(D)

What would the risk of RVHS as fallback plan in 3rd choice for AL7(M)? Little devil kind of whispering to me that there is small risk, given how many AL4/5/6 out there. Should we bump RVHS to 2nd choice?

BP Gov High & Nan Hua High are toss up, either can be 5th or 6th, as they are just plan C, and confidence level is high.

Hi and congrats. Personally, with 7(M) I think RVHS is quite safe (M will help in the queuing despite being 3rd choice). Maybe not bulletproof (small risk as you say) but if you are also OK with 5th and 6th choice should something strange happen I would still suggest leaving 1st and 2nd choice as is. Good luck!

Hi SG_KP1

Why reading your reply made me feel that we are not aggressive enough? Haha..

Nevermind, we still have 5 days till 30th. Will give all the time to my boy to pick his choices.

By the way, I noticed some parents here trying to guess ESIS COP. I was tinkering around ACS(I) admission chatbot. In there, it is stated that ESIS COP for 2022 intake is AL5.[/quote]thanks for clarifying about that.

[lassie girl]

Veyron\" post_id=\"2048464\" time=\"1637854774\" user_id=\"30663:

okie\" post_id=\"2048462\" time=\"1637854383\" user_id=\"44307:

[quote=Veyron post_id=2048400 time=1637847975 user_id=30663]

NJC COP for 2020 was 254 or AL7. Under AL system, AL8 can go as low as 247 if there is an AL5 subject in the mix.
Very low chance for NJC partly also due to its centralized location.

In the west, better choose RVHS

Just wondering, how do u know AL8 can be as low as 247? The lowest permutation i can get is 251 (65 + 90 + 90 + 90 )/4*3

your 3/4 raw to tscore conversion is incorrect[/quote]
Replying to this post because my cow baby has gone to bed and I couldn’t find anything else to do tonight. For the benefit of other anxious parents who are still not so sure of how the indicative AL scores came about - here’s a recap: https://www.moe.gov.sg/-/media/files/news/press/2021/annex-d-psle-2021.pdf?la=en&hash=D9545EF210071D1E7F0B220D7C85F20C73CB8DB4

Pasting here for easy reference.
The indicative PSLE Score ranges for the individual schools were simulated using the 2020 P6 cohort’s PSLE results and school choices.
• MOE first simulated each student’s individual subject score in AL terms, based on their raw subject scores.
• Then, we added the AL scores for each PSLE subject to form a student’s total PSLE Score.
Using these simulated PSLE Scores and students’ school choices from 2020,
• MOE simulated their posting outcomes based on the new S1 Posting System and its tie-breakers (in the order of Citizenship, Choice order of Schools and
Computerised Balloting).
• The indicative PSLE Score ranges for individual secondary schools were then
generated based on the PSLE Scores of the first student and the last student who WOULD HAVE POSTED into the school UNDER THE SIMULATION.
As the 2020 PSLE cohort had their results in T-score terms, the PSLE Score ranges are indicative only, as they were simulated using the 2020 PSLE cohort results and students’ school choices in that same year.
The actual PSLE Score range for a school for a particular year is not pre-determined, and may vary from year to year, depending on the PSLE results and school choice patterns of each P6 cohort.

In short, it means students “admitted” based on the simulation may not be the actual students who went to the schools (ie sec 1 in 2021). It means the last student/students admitted to RGS (sec 1 2021) with actual t score cut off 261 may not be the same last student/students who got “admitted” with AL6 in their simulation. Same goes for all the other schools. Basically MOE did a “what if we sort them out this way” exercise. Thus all the assumptions of certain t score = certain AL are definitely not accurate.

Even if someone claims to have the correct formula for t score = AL conversion, we can never know who and how many did well or worst this year so all kinds of analysis are just meant to keep poor parents awake at night wondering which choices to put for their child’s future school, with no actual help. On top of that, we can never know what’s the choice ranking patterns this year’s cohort will make.

I do hope parents are discerning enough to make judgements for themselves and their children especially during this tight timeframe for the schools selections. We are here to help each other so let’s not have the blind leading the blind and take everyone on a wild goose chase.

Parents, have a good night rest. Most importantly, talk to your children about the schools and their thoughts on this exercise. These communications will help set the stage for your child’s transition into secondary school life, with u as their guiding light.

https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/article/2021-psle-discussions-and-strategies-children-born-in-2009/

[chanyy]

Just curious for AL5, why very few mention of MGS after RGS? Cohort is too small? Thank you.

[AHsDad]

You are absolutely correct!!

There was a couple of KSP “rallies” this year on this topic. So unnecessary and misleading.

Simple logic need not be over-complicated. Tscore is dead. Killed. Buried. No resurrections. No possible haunting of AL scores.

Peace. Good nite

[sushi88]

mcwee\" post_id=\"2048301\" time=\"1637831071\" user_id=\"143337:

Any of your child takes uniform as choice of school consideration?
My DD said is important. :rotflmao:

:hi5: to your DD

[Veyron]

jkorompis\" post_id=\"2048481\" time=\"1637857789\" user_id=\"193874:

Veyron\" post_id=\"2048257\" time=\"1637824736\" user_id=\"30663:

[quote=jkorompis post_id=2048222 time=1637821161 user_id=193874]

with due respect, i think it doesn't make sense if ESIS purposely impose AL5 as the cut off for top 3%. The \" TOP 3%\" in itself means total raw scores logically. otherwise it is not fair to the AL6/AL7s whose scores are better than AL5s, whose efforts need to be rewarded.
no parents here have reported AL6s getting ESIS could be the fact that they are not in this forum or prefer to be low profile.

Unfortunately, that is the reality of the new AL system. Under this system, 90 is the new 100, there are no extra points for anything above 90. e.g. a student with a raw score of 99 99 99 89 will still be ranked lower than 90 90 90 90 in S1 posting.

The goal of the AL system is not to chase after every last marks, hence its unlikely MOE will use raw score marks to determine COP for ESIS., while using AL score for S1 posting. Between the 2, which do you think is more important? S1 posting or ESIS?

yes, goal of AL system is not to chase after every last mark, but ESIS is not something the general population of pupils/parents will chase after. your rationale is based on the fact that people will start chasing for last mark if ESIS is based on raw scores. it could just be an internal protocol, not made known to the cohort taking psle.[/quote]Unfortunately, anything that can be used as an indicator to compare or benchmark a child academic performance will always be of interest to parents and students alike.

So using a selection process that is completely opaque to parents will be confusing and upsetting. this will certainly lead to parents writing into MOE for explanation and requesting raw scores for verification.

Under t-score, I believe 261 is the benchmark. Under the AL system, I believe it's AL5.

To do well under AL system, students need to be good at all 4 subjects. Whereas under t-score, students can afford to achieve high t-score even with 1 or 2 weaker subjects. Which is better or more deserving I think that is very subjective.

[Veyron]

Angelahaha79\" post_id=\"2048466\" time=\"1637855813\" user_id=\"129267:

Veyron\" post_id=\"2048280\" time=\"1637828112\" user_id=\"30663:

[quote=Angelahaha79 post_id=2048270 time=1637826244 user_id=129267]Hi all wise mommies and daddies out there, my DD has got 8+D and we stay at east. How high is our chance of getting into Dunman High? the cut-off point for Dunman is exactly 8+D. sigh...

Also, with regards to our second choice, would you recommend a 2nd tier IP school like TJC or O program from a 1st tier school, like St. Nicholas? what are the pros and cons between these 2 options that we need to bear in mind before coming into a decision?

AL8(D) is still ahead of AL8 and AL8 (M). So the chance should be high

Personally, I would go with TJC (AL9) or even SCGS insad of St Nich- O-level because at St Nic o-level affiliation COP is very low.

hi thanks for your quick reply. You raised a very good point regarding the COP for St Nic affiliation. Is it advantageous or disadvantageous in your opinion? As I know, 10~15% of top performers from O program might have the chance to be transferred to IP at the end of Sec2. If the COP is so low for those from afficliated, my DD might have a higher chance to get transferred? How do you feel?[/quote]There are both pros and cons for IP or O Level track, which ultimately will lead to A-level certificate at the end of year 6 (if going for JC route after O level) For IP schools, students will have very similar learning ability, which mean more fast pace learning enviroment. Whereas in o-level track, there will be more diverse students, e.g. St Nic affiliation COP is AL14, which in t-score term can go as low as 199 is students score 90 90 45 45.

For St Nic IP, year 5 and 6 will be Eunoia Junior College, and this is the same JC for SCGS and CHC IP program.
So instead of having to go through St Nic o-level track and try to get into IP program at sec 3 and then end up at Eunoia JC for year 5 and 6, when not consider going straight to SCGS IP program and end up at the same JC?

[optrex80]

Just a simulation, so a student who score 89,89,89,89 will get AL8 while another who score 90,90,90,90 will score AL4 and both have different school choices. Just a single mark difference in each single subject can cause a big swing.

[alixph]

Hi, nope can advise.

If result is AL 12, will it be risky if put 1st choice AL 6-11. AL -1. I feel it risky as this year choice does matter.

2nd choice - no afflication, AL 11-13
3rd choice - AL 8-12
4th choice - AL 8-13
5th choice- AL 11 - 14
6th choice - AL 11 -15

:salute:
Thx