2021 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2009)

[JZK]

Hi, does anyone know how the COP may shift and if it’s risky for us to put a school as first choice if we’re right at the COP?


ie if COP is 9-12, and psle score is 12, is there a high chance (or confirmed) that the child will get in? Thanks.

[lassie girl]

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lassie girl\" post_id=\"2048486\" time=\"1637859049\" user_id=\"35383:[quote=\"lassie girl\" post_id=2048486 time=1637859049 user_id=35383]

your 3/4 raw to tscore conversion is incorrect

Replying to this post because my cow baby has gone to bed and I couldn’t find anything else to do tonight. For the benefit of other anxious parents who are still not so sure of how the indicative AL scores came about - here’s a recap: https://www.moe.gov.sg/-/media/files/news/press/2021/annex-d-psle-2021.pdf?la=en&hash=D9545EF210071D1E7F0B220D7C85F20C73CB8DB4

Pasting here for easy reference.
The indicative PSLE Score ranges for the individual schools were simulated using the 2020 P6 cohort’s PSLE results and school choices.
• MOE first simulated each student’s individual subject score in AL terms, based on their raw subject scores.
• Then, we added the AL scores for each PSLE subject to form a student’s total PSLE Score.
Using these simulated PSLE Scores and students’ school choices from 2020,
• MOE simulated their posting outcomes based on the new S1 Posting System and its tie-breakers (in the order of Citizenship, Choice order of Schools and
Computerised Balloting).
• The indicative PSLE Score ranges for individual secondary schools were then
generated based on the PSLE Scores of the first student and the last student who WOULD HAVE POSTED into the school UNDER THE SIMULATION.
As the 2020 PSLE cohort had their results in T-score terms, the PSLE Score ranges are indicative only, as they were simulated using the 2020 PSLE cohort results and students’ school choices in that same year.
The actual PSLE Score range for a school for a particular year is not pre-determined, and may vary from year to year, depending on the PSLE results and school choice patterns of each P6 cohort.

In short, it means students “admitted” based on the simulation may not be the actual students who went to the schools (ie sec 1 in 2021). It means the last student/students admitted to RGS (sec 1 2021) with actual t score cut off 261 may not be the same last student/students who got “admitted” with AL6 in their simulation. Same goes for all the other schools. Basically MOE did a “what if we sort them out this way” exercise. Thus all the assumptions of certain t score = certain AL are definitely not accurate.

Even if someone claims to have the correct formula for t score = AL conversion, we can never know who and how many did well or worst this year so all kinds of analysis are just meant to keep poor parents awake at night wondering which choices to put for their child’s future school, with no actual help. On top of that, we can never know what’s the choice ranking patterns this year’s cohort will make.

I do hope parents are discerning enough to make judgements for themselves and their children especially during this tight timeframe for the schools selections. We are here to help each other so let’s not have the blind leading the blind and take everyone on a wild goose chase.

Parents, have a good night rest. Most importantly, talk to your children about the schools and their thoughts on this exercise. These communications will help set the stage for your child’s transition into secondary school life, with u as their guiding light.

Here are the 2020 indicative AL COP and range of actual T-score COP for IP schools.
AL6\t257-261
AL7 254-257
AL8\t251-255
AL9\t250

2020 ESIS COP = 261
2021 ESIS COP = AL5

a) RGS 261 COP for 2020 is nearing AL5,
b) Lowest t-score for AL6 in 2020 is around 257, which mean this year, there will be more AL6 students applying or considering for RGS.

And that is why I am saying AL6 for RGS will be high risk if the 2021 cohort performs equally well.[/quote]Under the old t score system, a subject raw score of full marks 100% will be calculated to become a subject t score, which will be added into the total t score - therefore every marks counts towards the final t score.
Under the new AL system, whether the student gets 90 or 100, they will all be called AL1. Anything more than 90 are not taken into consideration.

Your example of using actual t score last year to justify your argument is flawed. AL is good for the all rounded students, giving them some chance to make careless mistakes (and still get the highest grade of AL1 for that subject). We will never know if more students are more well rounded in most or all subjects in this cohort. If an incorrect prediction like yours is meant to influence other parents to alter their selection rankings/choices (for whatever agenda u might have) - please stop. Thank you.

Last reply on this topic. Like one ks parent said - argue until the cows come home/wake up.

:rotflmao:

[Pegasus08]

Hi, for parents whose child did well for PSLE, may I know how you or your child prepared for it? My elder one did not do as expected (out of IP range) and I was wondering if there is anything i could do better so as to prepare my number 2 (who is going to P5 next year).


For my elder one, I had to make (force) her to do past year papers for all subjects. For science, I made her read the science textbooks and the PSLE notes on science. She had Chinese tuition but pretty much nothing else. Maths I think nothing really much to memorize, need to know the formula and practise a lot of papers. For English, I was not sure how to prepare her (other than doing past year papers), got her into a last minute writing class to try to improve her writing and then found lists of words online to make her go through them, know how to spell and their meanings. But along the way, I was not sure what else I can give to her or make her study. She is pretty chill one, anything goes kind, so making her study really have to depend on her mood, plus towards the end, she got really sianz of doing papers.

Please share if you have something constructive. Particularly, how your child prepared for both languages, which have so many components, it seems hard to score. I hope to take this as a learning experience to see how I can improve to support my number 2 better (who unfortunately at this stage, seems to be more slack than number 1 😔). Thank you for your time.

[Veyron]

lassie girl\" post_id=\"2048522\" time=\"1637886772\" user_id=\"35383:[quote=\"lassie girl\" post_id=2048522 time=1637886772 user_id=35383]
Under the old t score system, a subject raw score of full marks 100% will be calculated to become a subject t score, which will be added into the total t score - therefore every marks counts towards the final t score. Under the new AL system, whether the student gets 90 or 100, they will all be called AL1. Anything more than 90 are not taken into consideration.

Your example of using actual t score last year to justify your argument is flawed. AL is good for the all rounded students, giving them some chance to make careless mistakes (and still get the highest grade of AL1 for that subject). We will never know if more students are more well rounded in most or all subjects in this cohort. If an incorrect prediction like yours is meant to influence other parents to alter their selection rankings/choices (for whatever agenda u might have) - please stop. Thank you.

Last reply on this topic. Like one ks parent said - argue until the cows come home/wake up.

:rotflmao:[/quote]

Lassie girl, please don't waste time arguing just of the sake of argument. or going against the natural force of logic and facts.

These are not my predication. these are facts provided by MOE.

Here are the 2020 indicative AL COP and range of actual T-score COP for IP schools.
AL6 257-261
AL7 254-257
AL8 251-255
AL9 250

2020 ESIS COP = 261
2021 ESIS COP = AL5

If you disagree with the above or my interpretation of balloting risk for AL6 applicants vying for RGS, you are most welcome to provide your findings and interpretation instead of telling us what is t-score and what is AL score.

[CCK2008]

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[quote=crushh post_id=2048419 time=1637850372 user_id=2564]
Congrats on your girl's stellar results. Yes there is a possibility of balloting at RGS for AL6 but I would think there is a decent chance. Simply put, it's hard to tell how many AL6 were accepted last year and what the probability is.

I'm in similar situation but am hestiant coz I understand from another thread that Nanyang requires min of B3 as passing grade for HCL 'O' levels while RGS only requires a C6 pass? Anyone knows and can verify? How abt the passing grade for HCL at St Nicks and NJC?

Gotta choose carefully and know what our kids are in for. NYGH may not be a good fallback option if not confident in excelling in HCL.

Thanks!

U are referring to o level HCL. HCL is default in NYGH, however HCL is optional in RGS. But trust me, my eldest DD in RGS takes HCL, and from what I knew, I did not heard of any chinese who did not took HCL in RGS. U took o level HCL in sec 4, and if pass, there is no need for u to study Chinese in jc.

If u did not took o level HCL, u still need to study Chinese as a subject in jc.

Please correct me if I am wrong, from what I know, in RI and RGS, students need to take HCL, and pass O-level HCL in order to drop Chinese in JC. (I think a pass means D7 or better)
But in HCI (and most probably in NYGH), students not only need to take HCL, they need to attain a minimum score of B4 in order to drop Chinese for A-level. So if a student in HCI scores C6 in his 'O'-level HCL, he needs to take Chinese in Year 5/6, cannot drop.[/quote]Yes. My eldest DD in RGS (going sec 4 next year) said a pass will enable you to drop chinese in JC. Whereas NYGH, my younger DD (going sec 2) is not sure if min requirement is B4. Don't worry about HCL, if your kid can make it to RGS or NYGH, they will have sufficient capability to tackle the paper.

Just to add, chinese is an important language now and in future due to rise in China, I believe all kids should take effort to master the language. MY younger DD in NYGH, there is an Ang Mo student, in GEP class, her chinese is so good that her chinese compo is listed under their annual publication of best compo selection. We chinese should strive to master the language. That Ang Mo student is the younger DD of Jim Roger, the investment guru. Her bigger DD had already progressed into HCJC year 1.

[radiant00]

LuckyM\" post_id=\"2048515\" time=\"1637884294\" user_id=\"190974:

My son scored AL 5 .We are confused between IP A level and IB programs.Whether to choose RI or ACS(I)
All top students will definitely choose RI , I am worried how he will cope up in the competitive environment.He is from the neighbourhood school. I feel ACS(I) less competitive environment(may be i am wrong)
Please guide

I can't say I really understand the difference between IP and IB (former is UK style and latter US style) program but I don't think you should worry too much whether your son is able to cope in ANY top tier schools. My boy was admitted into RI last year from a very mediocre neighbourhood primary school (ranked 100+ if you believe in such ranking list) and he is doing well there. Teachers are caring and helpful and his friends there, unlike a lot of hearsays, are just a bunch of \"silly\" boys exactly like my son

I believe ACS is same.

So no worries, let your son make his decision and go with his heart.

[jing2ling2]

My girl score 8M, if I put cedar girls IP as first choice, River Valley at 2nd choice, and Nan hua as my 6th choice. Is this too risky?? If 1st choice I didn’t manage to go in, will River Valley can go in?

Any other suggestion??

[Veyron]

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LuckyM\" post_id=\"2048515\" time=\"1637884294\" user_id=\"190974:

My son scored AL 5 .We are confused between IP A level and IB programs.Whether to choose RI or ACS(I)
All top students will definitely choose RI , I am worried how he will cope up in the competitive environment.He is from the neighbourhood school. I feel ACS(I) less competitive environment(may be i am wrong)
Please guide

I can't say I really understand the difference between IP and IB (former is UK style and latter US style) program but I don't think you should worry too much whether your son is able to cope in ANY top tier schools. My boy was admitted into RI last year from a very mediocre neighbourhood primary school (ranked 100+ if you believe in such ranking list) and he is doing well there. Teachers are caring and helpful and his friends there, unlike a lot of hearsays, are just a bunch of \"silly\" boys exactly like my son

I believe ACS is same.

So no worries, let your son make his decision and go with his heart.

I think ACS (I) IB program can be as competitive as RI. Not sure if it is true, from what I was told, students who choose IB route generally will end up pursuing further studies in US, some may not even complete the full 6 years of the IP program.

[phtthp]

jing2ling2\" post_id=\"2048536\" time=\"1637890630\" user_id=\"41786:

My girl score 8M, if I put cedar girls IP as first choice, River Valley at 2nd choice, and Nan hua as my 6th choice. Is this too risky?? If 1st choice I didn’t manage to go in, will River Valley can go in?
Any other suggestion??

Where u staying ? West ?
That's why pick schools like
Nan Hua & River Valley High ?


If u stay west, please drop Cedar because is too far for your poor daughter, unless you are free to chaufeur her to and fro everyday, right to the doorstep of Cedar.
Don't forget, in Secondary school, students need to stay back several times every week, bec of Cca, 3rd language, project team mates discussion, etc.

When u choose suitable Secondary school, do factor in distance travel, very important ! Dont just keep looking at the Cut off point only

[678Yess]

Pegasus08\" post_id=\"2048528\" time=\"1637888978\" user_id=\"41264:

Hi, for parents whose child did well for PSLE, may I know how you or your child prepared for it? My elder one did not do as expected (out of IP range) and I was wondering if there is anything i could do better so as to prepare my number 2 (who is going to P5 next year).

For my elder one, I had to make (force) her to do past year papers for all subjects. For science, I made her read the science textbooks and the PSLE notes on science. She had Chinese tuition but pretty much nothing else. Maths I think nothing really much to memorize, need to know the formula and practise a lot of papers. For English, I was not sure how to prepare her (other than doing past year papers), got her into a last minute writing class to try to improve her writing and then found lists of words online to make her go through them, know how to spell and their meanings. But along the way, I was not sure what else I can give to her or make her study. She is pretty chill one, anything goes kind, so making her study really have to depend on her mood, plus towards the end, she got really sianz of doing papers.

Please share if you have something constructive. Particularly, how your child prepared for both languages, which have so many components, it seems hard to score. I hope to take this as a learning experience to see how I can improve to support my number 2 better (who unfortunately at this stage, seems to be more slack than number 1 😔). Thank you for your time.

PSLE preparation started at P4, at least, cause, you cannot hurried the process of building the language proficiency within a very short time. In the lower primary, we focused on Languages for both my daughter and my son. My daughter dropped the English writing class in P4 while my son continue to fill p6 as he was a lazy reader. Both of them continue their Chinese tuition til p6. For maths, both of them being drilled consistently since P5. They studied science and do other school paper on their own. Both my kids made it to IP schools.