2021 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2009)

[Timmy21]

Deepblue365\" post_id=\"2049349\" time=\"1638093712\" user_id=\"196090:

Dear parents.
My girl got 7M. I hoped max 8 or 9 point bcoz she had quite hard time in p6. So her result 7(M) really surprised me.
At first, I thought this year’s cohort doing so well???? Only her??? Was the test easier than usual?
These questions are still hovering in my head.
What if too many 7 scorers out there? Many balloting which we want to avoid bcoz of ‘PR’ status could happen.
We’re thinking NYG, NJC, RVH as top 3 choice now.
NYG and NJC are too risky for PR student?
Living in Clementi/West coast so Nan hua, Fairfield, Commonwealth will be next 3 choice.

Any advice will be deeply appreciated. Thank you!!!! :?: :?: :?:

RV placed at the third choice is a strong safety net, so no harm trying for NYGH and NJC in the first two choices.

[strawberry09]

Dear gurus,


My DD has scored 8(M) for her PSLE and we are thinking of putting the below choices:

First Option:
1st: SCGS IP (COP
2nd: SCGS O (COP 9)
3rd: RV IP (COP 9D)
4th Swiss Cottage (COP 11)
5th: Crescent Girls’ (COP 11)
6th: Bukit Panjang Gov’t High School (COP 11)

I know SCGS IP historical Tscore COP has been around 252. I have also read in some post here that AL8 is around 252 to 254 for IP. But interestingly enough, SCGS O historical Tscore has also been around 252, but the COP for its O level is 9 instead. I’m thinking if I can’t get into SCGS IP, at least there’s a very high chance of getting into SCGS O? If someone can tell me what my chances are especially around First & 2nd Choice here with AL8(M).

2nd Option:
1st choice: MGS O (COP
2nd/3rd: SCGS IP (COP
2nd/3rd: SCGS O (COP 9)

MGS is my DD dream school and she’s happy to forgo doing IP by doing O level at MGS instead. Historically Tscore has been around 253-254 for O level programme (which correspond to a AL8 COP?). Obviously she’s not going to get into MGS IP, so having AL8, does she stand a good chance with MGS(O)? I’m thinking most of the AL1-7 would be going for IP programme and there’s a good share of AL8 scorers’ opting for St Nicks, does that improve my odds here with MGS(O)?

[SG_KP1]

soloestoy\" post_id=\"2049352\" time=\"1638093980\" user_id=\"56690:

Wonder if anyone can do such a chart for the AL system:
https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/article/psle-2013-results-a-simulated-analysis-fine-tuned/

We can try but it's all garbage in, garbage out. Only MOE can give us the distribution of PSLE AL scores.

I think even in the past the subject t-scores were not normally distributed; the median score was almost certainly higher than the mean (the mean total score is 200 yet 66% of cohort or so used to qualify for Express). Yet the chart assumed they were....

I definitely have some thoughts as to what's going to happen and chime in with comments from time to time (it's a fun discussion and many interesting things to think about). But even if we can get the distribution of AL Scores we still don't know the supply side (DSA intake was AL4-AL5s or AL6s+? number of qualifying affiliates? etc, etc? ) well enough to predict COPs any better than we are all guessing now.

[newstart2022]

boy AL6M,

1 HCI
2 RI
3 NJC
4 RV
5ACSI
6 De Ming

Can I say NJC is my safety net?

[newstart2022]

boy AL6M,

1 HCI
2 RI
3 NJC
4 RV
5ACSI
6 De Ming

Can I say NJC is my safety net?

[Deepblue365]

Timmy21\" post_id=\"2049354\" time=\"1638094826\" user_id=\"122721:

Feichen\" post_id=\"2049348\" time=\"1638093564\" user_id=\"132437:

Dear All parents, I would like to seek for your advise for my plan of choices for S1 for my DD - 6D for PSLE result. Thanks.
Whether they are logical? Thanks.

1 - Nanyang Girl (4-7M)
2. Raffles Girl (4-6)
3. Cedar Girl - IP (choose this one as most near to our home) (4-8)
4. CHIJ ST. NICHOLAS GIRLS' SCHOOL - IP (4-7M)
5. DUNMAN HIGH SCHOOL (4-8D)
6. Cedar Girl - O Level. (4-9)

High chance of getting NYGH, and if not successful, you will get into Cedar (IP) for sure. I think you have nothing to be concerned about.

I also think that high chance for NYGH. Especially ‘Distinction’ will give her priority over other 6M, 6P, 6.

[Veyron]

forrestz\" post_id=\"2049328\" time=\"1638088181\" user_id=\"135905:

Some of the confusion over choice order and merit (AL score) is probably caused by a misestimate of the # of AL4 and AL5 students. If we assume the total % of AL4 + AL5 students is 3%, that translates to 1173 students. Of these, I guess at least half would already be admitted through DSA. That leaves about, let's say, 600 to go through S1 posting. Divide that by half gives 300 boys and 300 girls (more likely 200 boys vs. 400 girls). Unless they all somehow choose the same school as their first choice, then there is no possibility that AL4 or AL5 would not get into their first choices.

As many have said, no school has a COP below AL6. No point worrying about those lucky ones with AL4 and 5 -- they will all get in their first choice, while still leaving spaces (not sure how many though) in every school for the rest.

interesting analysis.

Does anyone know what is the cohort size of

RGS
RI
HCI
NYGH

[pjpolymer]

ChiefKiasu\" post_id=\"2047605\" time=\"1637675308\" user_id=\"3:

Edit:
Please contribute to this poll as we are trying to establish the overall general AL scores of children all over Singapore, NOT considering the school. This will give some idea of what kind of balloting that you might face at a certain AL level when you apply for a secondary school.

https://survey.sparkchart.com/start/ShystWtoXlOgUPbQ635qPtNL4emnCS5vAgpU65Kss/

This poll is kindly being administered by our user putien.

Please try to be as accurate as possible as you are likely to be using the same data when applying for your secondary school.

Is it possible to add Gender ratio at this chart? As this is quite important factor for COP for those boys or girls IP schools. This is the first year for AL system. As presumption, normally girls did better in language course as English and MTL while boys can catch up with high score with Math and Science. But for this year, 90 and 99 is no difference. There will be high chance COP of girls school lower than previous year. If the chart can provide more info for the gender ratio , it will be helpful

[SpongyBobs]

Veyron\" post_id=\"2049381\" time=\"1638103258\" user_id=\"30663:

forrestz\" post_id=\"2049328\" time=\"1638088181\" user_id=\"135905:

Some of the confusion over choice order and merit (AL score) is probably caused by a misestimate of the # of AL4 and AL5 students. If we assume the total % of AL4 + AL5 students is 3%, that translates to 1173 students. Of these, I guess at least half would already be admitted through DSA. That leaves about, let's say, 600 to go through S1 posting. Divide that by half gives 300 boys and 300 girls (more likely 200 boys vs. 400 girls). Unless they all somehow choose the same school as their first choice, then there is no possibility that AL4 or AL5 would not get into their first choices.

As many have said, no school has a COP below AL6. No point worrying about those lucky ones with AL4 and 5 -- they will all get in their first choice, while still leaving spaces (not sure how many though) in every school for the rest.

interesting analysis.

Does anyone know what is the cohort size of

RGS
RI
HCI
NYGH

Think HCI around 400 (~30% taken up by DSA), if I am not wrong. Listened to few eOpen House, hope that numbers didn't get mixed up.

[lee_yl]

Veyron\" post_id=\"2049327\" time=\"1638088022\" user_id=\"30663:

lee_yl\" post_id=\"2049297\" time=\"1638081710\" user_id=\"17023:

[quote=Veyron post_id=2049290 time=1638080451 user_id=30663]

This is a play safe strategy because if choice 1 fails, the chance of getting into choice 2 will be higher because COP is AL result + 1. If choice 2 fail, perhaps because AL COP upgrade from AL11 to AL10, choice 3 will have a good chance because its AL result + 3.

Isnt this the strategy which MOE is advising parents to do? That is to include choices that are AL result + 1 or 2.

A more logical way can be
1) COP of AL 10 (or an AL9 school if it is the child’s dream school)
2) COP of AL 10
3). COP of AL 10
4). COP of AL 11
5). COP AL 11
6). COP AL 12 or AL 13.

I never say +1 or +2 is wrong.
But there is no need to take things to the extreme in having your choices in descending order of COP. What are the chances of a student with AL10 being posted to a COP AL15 school? It’s like a student with tscore 235 posted to a school with COP 198.

IMO your selection can be very risky.

If choice 1 dream school COP got bumped up to AL9 and choice 2 and 3 conduct balloting for AL10, those place the school as 1st choice will get through first. So the student may now end up at choice 4 or 5.


Furthermore not every parent or student chooses school solely on COP as well. And when it comes to S1 posting, its important to be realistic about dream school.

If your grade doesn't meet the COP, there is really no point dreaming about it.[/quote]Don’t you find yourself contradicting? You asked what if your first choice school got bumped up to AL9. Then why can’t COP AL9 school drop one point to AL10? The COP is not cast in stone, it will fluctuate as a function of supply and demand. If your dream school is a few points away then it is not very realistic but if it’s just one point away?

If a student ends up with his 4th choice, it is still within his 6 choices, so still ok. If 1st to 3rd choice COP all AL10, and if student has to go for balloting so be it, nobody knows which school will conduct balloting at what COP, right?

Not every parent/student chooses school solely on COP? No need see COP, if I like RI culture / CCA then I choose RI ah?