2021 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2009)
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phtthp\" post_id=\"2052853\" time=\"1640167208\" user_id=\"35251:
Students with the same AL score will be categorised into sub-groupings and the sub group will arrange in the order of
perhaps, can ask the MOE IT programmer whoever is in charge of writing the balloting algorithm,
\" what are the balloting criteria / \" ingredients \", used to select candidates, whose AL score matches exactly the Cut off point on the dot of a popular school, when the demand for seats exceeded the remaining vacancies left ? \"
Inside a computer program, how does the algorithm define \"luck\"? Of course, one input factor is citizenship . What else? How to tell / differentiate that this P6 students is lucky, or unlucky ?
Singapore/PR/Foreigners, follow by choice order of school. Balloting will be done for the last subgroup which contains more students than available vacancies.
e.g. for illustration, if there are 15 vacancies for AL6 and there are 30 applicants, the 30 applicants will be arranged according to subgroup.
Subgroup 1 ( AL6 + SG + Choice 1) 8 students
Subgroup 2 (AL6 + PR + Choice 1) 2 students
Subgroup 3 (AL6 + IS + Choice 1) 10 students
Subgroup 4 (AL6 + SG + Choice 2) 2 student
Subgroup 5 (AL6 + PR + Choice 2) 5 students
Subgroup 6 (AL6 + IS + Choice 2) 3 students
Since there are 15 vacancies left, only subgroup 3 will have balloting because all student in subgroup 1 and 2 has given priority, while subgroup 4 5 and 6 have no chance even with same AL6 scores.
So for RI and RGS, I reckon there will be a large pool of AL6 students who apply RI/RGS as the first choice and they are all Singaporeans. MOE will likely use the same balloting approach as primary school enrollment. Doesn't need to be anything fancy. -
AngMoKP\" post_id=\"2052834\" time=\"1640163004\" user_id=\"194548:
NJC and St Nicks are also AL7 schools
I think one consequence of the new system will be to more clearly establish RI and RGS and the two elite schools (i.e. the AL6 schools) with a more clearly defined slightly less elite tier of AL7 schools (HCI, NYGH, MGS and ACSI). This will be in contrast to the traditional way of thinking about the top 4. I expect a pattern will emerge whereby:
- you need AL6 to have a chance at RI/RGS
- you need AL7 to have a chance at HCI/NYGH/MGS/ACSI
- you need AL8 to have a chance at most of the other IP schools (St Nicks, Cedar, SCGS, Dunman, SJI, VS) -
Fully agree with this. Spent whole day with my DS outside and asked him twice whether he wanted to appeal to either HCI or ACSI. He said dont need to. He is happy with RVHS. And we proceeded to Popular to purchase textbooks.
By the way, I am puzzled by RV booklist.. No history text, no science text listed.. :scratchhead:Asdfgh\" post_id=\"2052847\" time=\"1640165458\" user_id=\"61111:
Actually all these doesn't really matter to us... It is the child that is going to study there. Most important is he or she is ok with the secondary school posting results(He or she like the school). Be it RI or RVH or any other secondary school. As long as they can survive in that school that they are attending and do well is the most important.
Imagine if you manage to squeeze in or ballot in at the cut off point and is not suitable in that school. Your child might have a hard time too.
Like for my case, my son is AL 7M. His first choice is HCI. just meet the cut off point and was not lucky to get in, definitely got ballot out.(I think) Singaporean. He was posted to DHS. I ask him if he wants to appeal. He say \"NO\". He is happy with DHS too.
So maybe it might a blessing in disguise who know..... Although it is me considering it as a dream school hoping that he can study in HCI (which I believe many parents also consider HCI to be one of their dream school)...
For all these arguments made here, nothing can change. Even the system will not be changed with so many voices. so what we can really do now is appeal or submit to fate.
If not, try to transfer to the desired school after sec 1 or 2. I heard there are cases too for transferring, mostly at end of sec 2 with good grades.
There are so many paths in life. so let not be upset over it. In life, we win some, we lose some. Be cheerful and grateful with the good grades that our child had achieved. Really not easy! -
Veyron\" post_id=\"2052863\" time=\"1640168583\" user_id=\"30663:
I think this is the best explanation of the process so far. Well done!
Students with the same AL score will be categorised into sub-groupings and the sub group will arrange in the order of
Singapore/PR/Foreigners, follow by choice order of school. Balloting will be done for the last subgroup which contains more students than available vacancies.
e.g. for illustration, if there are 15 vacancies for AL6 and there are 30 applicants, the 30 applicants will be arranged according to subgroup.
Subgroup 1 ( AL6 + SG + Choice 1) 8 students
Subgroup 2 (AL6 + PR + Choice 1) 2 students
Subgroup 3 (AL6 + IS + Choice 1) 10 students
Subgroup 4 (AL6 + SG + Choice 2) 2 student
Subgroup 5 (AL6 + PR + Choice 2) 5 students
Subgroup 6 (AL6 + IS + Choice 2) 3 students
Since there are 15 vacancies left, only subgroup 3 will have balloting because all student in subgroup 1 and 2 has given priority, while subgroup 4 5 and 6 have no chance even with same AL6 scores.
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ChiefKiasu\" post_id=\"2052869\" time=\"1640169783\" user_id=\"3:
This is not correct because citizenship trumps choice order.
I think this is the best explanation of the process so far. Well done!
Subgroup 1 gets first priority.
Subgroup 4 get second priority. SG citizens rank ahead of PRs and foreigners irrespective of choice order.
In this example, where there are 15 places:
8 get in from subgroup 1 (SG + 1st choice)
then 2 from subgroup 4 (SG + 2nd choice)
then 2 from subgroup 2 (PR + 1st choice)
then the remaining 3 spots are balloted among the 10 students in subgroup 3 (IS + 1st choice) -
Veyron\" post_id=\"2052863\" time=\"1640168583\" user_id=\"30663:
I don't think the flow is correct, because citizenship status is at a higher priority than the order of choice. So, group 4 will be taken first before group 2. But I might be mistaken.
Students with the same AL score will be categorised into sub-groupings and the sub group will arrange in the order of
Singapore/PR/Foreigners, follow by choice order of school. Balloting will be done for the last subgroup which contains more students than available vacancies.
e.g. for illustration, if there are 15 vacancies for AL6 and there are 30 applicants, the 30 applicants will be arranged according to subgroup.
Subgroup 1 ( AL6 + SG + Choice 1) 8 students
Subgroup 2 (AL6 + PR + Choice 1) 2 students
Subgroup 3 (AL6 + IS + Choice 1) 10 students
Subgroup 4 (AL6 + SG + Choice 2) 2 student
Subgroup 5 (AL6 + PR + Choice 2) 5 students
Subgroup 6 (AL6 + IS + Choice 2) 3 students
Since there are 15 vacancies left, only subgroup 3 will have balloting because all student in subgroup 1 and 2 has given priority, while subgroup 4 5 and 6 have no chance even with same AL6 scores.
So for RI and RGS, I reckon there will be a large pool of AL6 students who apply RI/RGS as the first choice and they are all Singaporeans. MOE will likely use the same balloting approach as primary school enrollment. Doesn't need to be anything fancy. -
Jinjin1982\" post_id=\"2052864\" time=\"1640169318\" user_id=\"196468:
Yes, sorry. That's right
NJC and St Nicks are also AL7 schools -
Timmy21\" post_id=\"2052874\" time=\"1640170550\" user_id=\"122721:
I don't think the flow is correct, because citizenship status is at a higher priority than the order of choice. So, group 4 will be taken first before group 2. But I might be mistaken.
According to MOE website.
S1 Posting Tie-Breakers (in order of priority)
1) Citizenship (priority given to Singapore Citizens, followed by Permanent Residents and International Students)
2) Choice order of schools [NEW]
3) Computerised balloting
https://www.moe.gov.sg/microsites/psle-fsbb/posting-to-secondary-school/changes-to-s1-posting.html#:~:text=Tie%2Dbreakers%20are%20used%20only,for%20admissions%20to%20SAP%20schools.
My interpretation of the above is that SG will be given the priority if they select the same choice.
MOE tie-breaker illustration is also not conclusive.
https://www.moe.gov.sg/microsites/psle-fsbb/assets/infographics/new-psle-scoring-system/tie-breaker.pdf -
AngMoKP\" post_id=\"2052873\" time=\"1640170483\" user_id=\"194548:
Oh yes! You are right. But I like that way he explained the process.
This is not correct because citizenship trumps choice order.
Subgroup 1 gets first priority.
Subgroup 4 get second priority. SG citizens rank ahead of PRs and foreigners irrespective of choice order.
In this example, where there are 15 places:
8 get in from subgroup 1 (SG + 1st choice)
then 2 from subgroup 4 (SG + 2nd choice)
then 2 from subgroup 2 (PR + 1st choice)
then the remaining 3 spots are balloted among the 10 students in subgroup 3 (IS + 1st choice) -
Veyron\" post_id=\"2052863\" time=\"1640168583\" user_id=\"30663:
I think,
Students with the same AL score will be categorised into sub-groupings and the sub group will arrange in the order of
Singapore/PR/Foreigners, follow by choice order of school. Balloting will be done for the last subgroup which contains more students than available vacancies.
e.g. for illustration, if there are 15 vacancies for AL6 and there are 30 applicants, the 30 applicants will be arranged according to subgroup.
Subgroup 1 ( AL6 + SG + Choice 1) 8 students
Subgroup 2 (AL6 + PR + Choice 1) 2 students
Subgroup 3 (AL6 + IS + Choice 1) 10 students
Subgroup 4 (AL6 + SG + Choice 2) 2 student
Subgroup 5 (AL6 + PR + Choice 2) 5 students
Subgroup 6 (AL6 + IS + Choice 2) 3 students
Since there are 15 vacancies left, only subgroup 3 will have balloting because all student in subgroup 1 and 2 has given priority, while subgroup 4 5 and 6 have no chance even with same AL6 scores.
So for RI and RGS, I reckon there will be a large pool of AL6 students who apply RI/RGS as the first choice and they are all Singaporeans. MOE will likely use the same balloting approach as primary school enrollment. Doesn't need to be anything fancy.
Subgroup 1 ( AL6 + SG + Choice 1) 8 students
Subgroup 4 (AL6 + SG + Choice 2) 2 student
Subgroup 2 (AL6 + PR + Choice 1) 2 students
Subgroup 5 (AL6 + PR + Choice 2) 5 students
Subgroup 3 (AL6 + IS + Choice 1) 10 students
Subgroup 6 (AL6 + IS + Choice 2) 3 students
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