Can through-train school work in kiasu Singapore?

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Avenue3\" post_id=\"2103074\" time=\"1679974791\" user_id=\"45412:

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Also, never say never.

Nah !

Singapore is very kiasu, wan !
Just look at the number of kiasu people around.

I can tell you straight :-
PSLE will always be here, to stay

[Veyron]

[quote]1. I never say it is a 6 year program

2. I never say A level is guaranteed.

The new part is that this school is catered only to those kids who skipped PSLE unlike existing schools with affiliation. Hence the teaching methods will be specifically catered to them.

Enjoy making your own conclusions without reading. Also you can enjoy walking in circles. I will see you for beer on 31st December night at Sentosa.[/quote]
Perhaps you should make yourself clearer in what you wrote

Avenue3\" post_id=\"2102777\" time=\"1679743707\" user_id=\"45412:

From your original statement, you specifically mentioned,

1) Non-Psle student, which means your suggested program is targeted at that student who skipped PSLE.


2) \"which has S1 to S6\"

When you mentioned S1 to S6, this is very misleading because it is like P1 to P6, a 6 years continuous program.
As far as I know, there is no such thing as secondary 6 in Singapore, so what do \"S5\" and \"S6\" mean?
If it's a separate JC program as you claim now, why can you just call it JC1 and JC2, e.g S1-S4 + JC-JC2 instead of S1-S6

3) \"both O level and A level exam in the same school\"

What is the attractiveness of having Sec and JC in the same school if Sec and JC are separate (need O-level for admission to JC) and not through train like IP (even though most IP schools have a separate campus for JC)

And then you make another post mentioning that its only fair to ask them (non PSLE student) to take two exams.
Doesn't it contradict your statement that A-level is guaranteed?

Avenue3\" post_id=\"2103032\" time=\"1679915668\" user_id=\"45412:[quote=Avenue3 post_id=2103032 time=1679915668 user_id=45412]Please read a understand the purpose of this thread. TT means skipping PSLE.

And since they skipped PSLE, it is only fair to ask them to take two exams (O level and A level) just like the IP students who take two exams (PSLE and A level).

So what exactly are you proposing that is so unique and attractive?

Enrollment is 50% balloting, 50% P5 school-based exam result,
No affiliation between primary and S1-6 school
S1-S6 is not through train
Secondary to JC is not guaranteed needs O-Level

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sushi88\" post_id=\"2103075\" time=\"1679974830\" user_id=\"100857:

I have no idea what I dreamt last night but this morning I woke up with a question in Chinese in my head...

\"先苦后甜” 或 “先甜后苦“

Somehow immediately I thought of PSLE....

PSLE model Answer is


\"先苦后甜”

[Avenue3]

phtthp\" post_id=\"2103076\" time=\"1679974978\" user_id=\"35251:

Nah !

Singapore is very kiasu, wan !
Just look at the number of kiasu people around.

I can tell you straight :-
PSLE will always be here, to stay

Neither you nor me have a time machine. Whether you tell straight (line) or quadratic (line) doesn't matter.

[Veyron]

zac's mum\" post_id=\"2103073\" time=\"1679974014\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2103073 time=1679974014 user_id=53606]
The link that you have provided (“ACSI publishing their O level result”) does not in fact publish the percentage of students who qualified for their affiliated JC (ACJC) with a nett L1R5 score of 9 (raw score of 9+4 = 13). That info is not available.

The cohort size for ACSBr is 8 classes of ~40 = 320. The assumption that ~80% are from ACS schools is correct.

However, the assumption that ~80% of ACSI’s O level cohort are from ACS schools is incorrect. The cap is not anywhere near maxed out. I estimate less than 50% of the 510 cohort met the AL13 COP.

It depends on how one defines “benefitted from affiliation”. If I define it as qualifying for entry to either one of the 2 ACS secondary schools, it is probably close to 99.9%.[/quote]

As per link, ACS(I) O-level cohort size is 215, and 80% of 215 is 172 students.
172 is actually <50% of 510.

To me benefiting from affiliation means, PSLE result offer very limited school choices but get accepted in good school.

Suppose this is not ACS we are talking about, but some neighborhood schools. Do you think those who scored between AL7-A13 will remain in the secondary school or will they consider other schools?

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Avenue3\" post_id=\"2103082\" time=\"1679975937\" user_id=\"45412:

Neither you nor me have a time machine. Whether you tell straight (line) or quadratic (line) doesn't matter.

Avenue3,

We don't need a time machine to confirm that PSLE is here to stay.
Certain things in life -
is here to stay

We just know it, deep inside us !

[Avenue3]

Veyron\" post_id=\"2103077\" time=\"1679975014\" user_id=\"30663:

Perhaps you should make yourself clearer in what you wrote



From your original statement, you specifically mentioned,

1) Non-Psle student, which means your suggested program is targeted at that student who skipped PSLE.


2) \"which has S1 to S6\"

When you mentioned S1 to S6, this is very misleading because it is like P1 to P6, a 6 years continuous program.
As far as I know, there is no such thing as secondary 6 in Singapore, so what do \"S5\" and \"S6\" mean?
If it's a separate JC program as you claim now, why can you just call it JC1 and JC2, e.g S1-S4 + JC-JC2 instead of S1-S6

3) \"both O level and A level exam in the same school\"

What is the attractiveness of having Sec and JC in the same school if Sec and JC are separate (need O-level for admission to JC) and not through train like IP (even though most IP schools have a separate campus for JC)

And then you make another post mentioning that its only fair to ask them (non PSLE student) to take two exams.
Doesn't it contradict your statement that A-level is guaranteed?



So what exactly are you proposing that is so unique and attractive?

Enrollment is 50% balloting, 50% P5 school-based exam result,
No affiliation between primary and S1-6 school
S1-S6 is not through train
Secondary to JC is not guaranteed needs O-Level

Dear Sir/ Madam,

I never said 50% balloting and 50% P5 exam.

I said, you must be in top 50% of your school then you become eligible. Once you are eligible, it will go to balloting if there are more applications. If you are not successful in balloting, you have several months to prepare for PSLE.

Have fun writing your essays without reading fully and understanding.

Also, enjoy being stuck in the policies or system of the past when the topic is about the future.

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Avenue3\" post_id=\"2103086\" time=\"1679976509\" user_id=\"45412:

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Have fun writing your essays without reading fully and understanding.

Avenue3,

Many of us here have noticed that u cannot not even offer any proposal in clear perspective of what Through Train programme u are talking about.

And then when people ask u to clarify your stand clearly, what exactly do u mean by your \"S1 to S6\" path, you are so vague and evasive !

And because u are SO EVASIVE, can't even define clearly to all of us here in this forum what u actually talking about,

all you know is to always keep firing us back here, shout back at us with this phrase,

\"have fun writing your essays without reading fully and understanding. \"

Actually,
If u got nothing worthwhile to offer, then just take a step back and don't say anything more.

We people here, in this forum, are not dumb. We all can check back all the past pages here, read exactly what u had written, word by word. We only keep hearing u yelling out aloud \"Remove PSLE\". But other than this, only to realise that u din even propose anything substantial

OR

At least make us able to see clearly,
\"Oh ! I see. So this is where u are coming from. Now, I can understand what alternative u are actually proposing, in place of PSLE ... \"

No.
We don't see this, coming from you at all. No clear, well defined alternative, whatsoever. Instead, only vagueness !

You just keep going round and round in circle, keep on barking aloud \"Remove PSLE\" (keep repeating). That's all, we hearing, from you

[Veyron]

Avenue3\" post_id=\"2103086\" time=\"1679976509\" user_id=\"45412:

No trying to be disrespectful but I do not see how your proposed system can be attractive. Perhaps you can share with us what are the USPs and what positive outcome can we get from such balloting based non-Psle, S1-S6 system with O and A level taken in the same secondary school but progress from sec to JC is not guaranteed

Avenue3\" post_id=\"2102918\" time=\"1679877592\" user_id=\"45412:[quote=Avenue3 post_id=2102918 time=1679877592 user_id=45412]a.) Student can't decide by herself or himself. They should skip only if admission is already guaranteed. This is obvious isn't it?

b.) Yes, different schools have different standards, but they are ALL Good. In the end it is balloting. Coz, this new Secondary School may have 500 places and 5000 may apply. Balloting removes the concept of unfairness. And when 50% or AL 16 (which is roughly about average) are eligible, that is a broad spectrum already. If someone wants to complain that they are from high standard primary school and in bottom 50% , too bad for them.....they should not have selected such a high standard school to begin with.

[Avenue3]

phtthp\" post_id=\"2103088\" time=\"1679977041\" user_id=\"35251:

Avenue3,

Many of us here have noticed that u cannot not even offer any proposal in clear perspective of what Through Train programme u are talking about.

And then when people ask u to clarify your stand clearly, what exactly do u mean by your \"S1 to S6\" path, you are so vague and evasive !

And because u are SO EVASIVE, can't even define clearly to all of us here in this forum what u actually talking about,

all you know is to always keep firing us back here with this phrase,

\"have fun writing your essays without reading fully and understanding. \"

Actually,
If u got nothing worthwhile to offer, then just take a step back and don't say anything more.

We people here, in this forum, are not dumb. We all can check back all the past pages here, read what u had written. We only keep hearing u yelling out aloud \"Remove PSLE\". But other than this, only to realise that u din even propose anything substantial

OR

Make us able to see clearly,
\"Oh ! I see. So this is where u are coming from. I can understand what alternative u are proposing, in place of PSLE ... \"


You just keep going round and round jn circle, keep on barking \"Remove PSLE\" (repeat). That's all we hearing, from you

Who are the \"many of us\"?

Yes everyone can read back and check.

If someone don't read and understand and repeatedly attribute things to me that I haven't said, I need not accept. There is pattern here on twisting and adding different things / meanings and taking the topic tangential....walk in circles basically. So. Have fun.