2023 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2011)
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Imp75\" post_id=\"2123983\" time=\"1701221517\" user_id=\"2358:
Min said the introduction of AL is to stop comparison and focus on yourself not to chase the last point haha…..parents need mindset change haha….
People don't change because the government told them to. They will change if they want to.
For example, when 50% MPs and ministers send their children and grandchildren to neighborhood secondary schools even when they are eligible for Top schools, then parents will change. -
Avenue3\" post_id=\"2123977\" time=\"1701218712\" user_id=\"45412:
Yes
Unlikely because everyone who scored AL8 is offered Cat 3 third language.
No one who scored AL9 is eligible for Category 3 languages
At AL 9,
u still can enter into certain IP schools, like, for example,
(Temasek Junior College, River Valley High). If refer back to certain past years, the Cut off point for IP (TJC) back then, was AL 9.
However,
even after admission into these IP schools (TJC + River Valley High), there will still be some students, that is, those who scored AL 9, not allowed to study 3rd language ( MOELC), just because missed by one point to AL 8, the Cut off point for 3rd language, specified by MOELC.
Unfortunate, isn't it ?
Just missed by merely one point !
Not say, missed by a few points.
That means,
inside these two IP schools (River Valley High + Temasek JC) :-
while u see all your fellow Sec 1 classmates / schoolmates chit chatting happily after school dismissed on one weekday afternoon, all travelling down excitedly to Bishan / Newton foreign language classroom or language lab premises, to learn
( Japanese / German / Spanish / French) for the next 4 enriching years of their Secondary school life,
sadly,
those who have scored AL 9,
even though their hearts desire and long for learning of a 3rd language, also cannot go there. Not given a chance, unlike those who have scored AL 8, or better. This is how strict ... MOELC is. -
Many years ago during my daughter’s time, the cutoff for French was way higher than 252. Only the really brilliant ones were accepted into the French classes.
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Based on my son’s experience, I want to say not all Al 4-8 pointers want to take third language. Many of my son’s classmates who achieved Al 4-5 didn’t take third language at all. And for high demand, even some students who got Al 8 can not learn Japanese. This happened in 2021. And just curious, how do you find there are more Al 4 or 5 pointers this year? My DD is in the best class in her school and this year only 4 got al4, less than my DS’s class in 2021. And since esis is still awarded to al5 pointers or less, same as 2021, roughly the number of al 4-5 pointers should be the same.
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phtthp\" post_id=\"2123986\" time=\"1701222348\" user_id=\"35251:
Don't be sad, most students drop the third language in the first year.
Yes
At AL 9,
u still can enter into certain IP schools, like, for example,
(Temasek Junior College, River Valley High). If refer back to certain past years, the Cut off point for IP (TJC) back then, was AL 9.
However,
even after admission into these IP schools (TJC + River Valley High), there will still be some students, that is, those who scored AL 9, not allowed to study 3rd language ( MOELC), just because missed by one point to AL 8, the Cut off point for 3rd language, specified by MOELC.
Unfortunate, isn't it ?
Just missed by merely one point !
Not say, missed by a few points.
That means,
inside these two IP schools (River Valley High + Temasek JC) :-
while u see all your fellow Sec 1 classmates / schoolmates chit chatting happily after school dismissed on one weekday afternoon, all travelling down excitedly to Bishan / Newton foreign language classroom or language lab premises, to learn
( Japanese / German / Spanish / French) for the next 4 enriching years of their Secondary school life,
sadly,
those who have scored AL 9,
even though their hearts desire and long for learning of a 3rd language, also cannot go there. Not given a chance, unlike those who have scored AL 8, or better. This is how strict ... MOELC is.
So, you're just saving yourself some time. -
koudayao27\" post_id=\"2123993\" time=\"1701223292\" user_id=\"199369:
Amongst these 4 languages at MOELC (Japanese / German / French / Spanish) :-
Don't be sad, most students drop the third language in the first year.
So, you're just saving yourself some time.
1) the hottest, greatest in demand is ... Japanese. Probably because, is a language in Asia.
2) ironically, the one that dropped out the most, is also ... Japanese.
Why ?
Because
Japanese is the hardest, most challenging to learn, assuming that u have zero knowledge / background.
For those students in primary schools who have ever been exposed to Japanese before, perhaps via private enrichment lessons arranged by their parents, then, maybe still not so bad.
After so many students dropped out along the way,
at the end of Sec 4, the Total number of students taking or sitting for O-level (Japanese) : not many. If you can \"tahan\" Japanese all the way to O-level, I :salute: you -
Imp75\" post_id=\"2123981\" time=\"1701219979\" user_id=\"2358:
Yes, I feel the same way. The biggest change from T-score to AL is not the wider score range but the elimination of the bell curve.
I still like T score which is computed based on statistical difference. Knew of someone with 4A* and 3A*1A only 1 mark difference (which should be the case they should be eligible for the same schools) rather than the AL which could mean huge disparity and Sch allocation. Back to what someone says, maybe G is trying to reallocate the brilliant ones to feed into different top schools to dilute the “top school” effect.
Once PSLE questions are too easy (like this year, for example), it's hard to ensure that COPs don't experience significant fluctuations -
00skyblue00\" post_id=\"2123968\" time=\"1701208217\" user_id=\"143605:
Plausible
T-score analysis resurrection! Nice!
Just a few comments.
. Can use HCL criteria to estimate top 30%. Used to be ~235 (past parents done this before, making use of cop of MSH, lowest SAP cop). Under AL banding, the criteria has become AL14.
. Top 10% under t-score was ~252
. Hence, top 20% is estimated to be roughly 242 (top O level schools COP)
Assuming infrastructure was built to cater for 40k places (supply):
AL4 or AL5 <- guessed to be 1.5% (600?)
AL6 or better ~260 <- guessed to be 3% (1,200?)
AL9 or better ~252 <- roughly 10% (3,900)
AL11 or better ~242 <- guessed to be 20% (8,000)
AL14 or better ~232 <- roughly 30% (12,000)
AL20 or better ~200-210
AL22 or better ~188 <- roughly 68.4% (27,000)
AL23- rest of cohort = 40,000
How's the above? -
Just curious if there are any stats from schools regarding number of AL4/5 this year compared to previous years . Saw a couple of comments that this year’s PSLE was easier
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During T scores we can have students with 260.1 , 260.2, 260.3, 260.4 and so on. And the student with score 260.3 could be the last one qualified for that school application. No balloting was needed.
Now with AL system, all the above 260.x will be under AL6 and will be treated as equal and need to undergo ballot. And unfortunately some of them will get ballot out. In this scenario, AL6 is still the same category of students but balloting is happening not because there are more students scoring well but because there are no longer scores with decimal places to differentiate them further?
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