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    2023 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2011)

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    • Avenue3A Offline
      Avenue3
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      Interesting discussion.


      MOE says slightly below 50% are scoring above 75.

      So, we can probably assume that AL17 or 18 is half way mark. 50% of students get AL17/18 or better.

      Another statistic for analysis.

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      • SG_KP1S Offline
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        00skyblue00\" post_id=\"2124054\" time=\"1701255002\" user_id=\"143605:

        We know, not all awarded ESIS will choose independent schools. Are u asking why only AL4-5 are awarded ESIS but not AL6? Why do you think AL6 should get esis? Moe cannot have their discretion? Or are u asking MOE to explain their rationale. I doubt anyone can give a convincing reply here.

        I do believe, these numbers have some rationale. Could be statistically AL-5 are those more likely to continue outshine others up till A levels. Many kids change once in sec, whether IP or O. Hence moe also award top 5% for those done well in O levels. Likely this second group has also proven historically.

        The game has changed in new AL banding, moe can choose to be stingy for the pri sch top kids coz many practically their parents or tutors studying for psle, kids just comply. Could be. No one knows for sure, except MOE.
        One, I'm not asking MOE to explain anything. Two, I think you usually have many good things to say, and should believe whatever you want to believe.

        Frankly, I think the chance that at AL6 stops at 3% and AL9 stops at 10% is essentially zero. But it doesn't really matter, and now I remember why I left and have refrained from many of the discussions like this in recent times (in the past, problems were partly my own fault).

        Anyways, have a good night and best of luck to anyone that is waiting for the posting results.

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        • eniviE Offline
          enivi
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          May I know for esis AL5, what T Score does it corresponds to in the old days? And what about AL4 too?

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          • eniviE Offline
            enivi
            last edited by

            May I know for esis AL5, what T Score does it corresponds to in the old days? And what about AL4 too?

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            • bbbayB Offline
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              enivi\" post_id=\"2124077\" time=\"1701330534\" user_id=\"40961:

              May I know for esis AL5, what T Score does it corresponds to in the old days? And what about AL4 too?
              For our intellectual entertainment: These are put together from my old data collections. I only pick a few sample points to show here, to provide some indication. These are T scores mapped to indicative AL score published prior the first AL graded PSLE exam. My opinion is we should not expect precise , clear cut and fixed T score boundaries in the AL bands. We should expect a little over lapping, and deviation too assuming it is done yearly, because of the natural of AL banding.


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              • koudayao27K Offline
                koudayao27
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                enivi\" post_id=\"2124077\" time=\"1701330534\" user_id=\"40961:

                May I know for esis AL5, what T Score does it corresponds to in the old days? And what about AL4 too?
                Historical EESIS/ESIS COP
                Year in P6
                2022 - AL5
                2021 - AL5
                2020 - 261
                2019 - 261
                2018 - 260
                2017 - 262
                2016 - 262
                2015 - 262
                2014 - 258
                2013 - 258
                2012 - 262
                2011 - 260
                2010 - 260
                2009 - 261
                2008 - 263
                2007 - 264
                2006 - 262

                In this context, AL 5 is roughly equivalent to a T-Score of 261±3.

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                • bbbayB Offline
                  bbbay
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                  I recall (and some parents have also mentioned it too), one of the possible reasons for the inconsistency when mapping T score to AL score could be due to higher Chinese grades. In T score days, it was + 3, + 2 or + 1 for distinction, merit and pass in higher Chinese. For 2 students, 1 with a distinction in HCL would have gotten 260+ 3= 263, and other student without HCL will be 260. In current AL banding , both of them are in AL6 (or 5). So we are seeing AL6(or 5) mapped to 260 and 263.

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                  • bbbayB Offline
                    bbbay
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                    koudayao27\" post_id=\"2124084\" time=\"1701336354\" user_id=\"199369:

                    Historical EESIS/ESIS COP
                    Year in P6
                    2022 - AL5
                    2021 - AL5
                    2020 - 261
                    2019 - 261
                    2018 - 260
                    2017 - 262
                    2016 - 262
                    2015 - 262
                    2014 - 258
                    2013 - 258
                    2012 - 262
                    2011 - 260
                    2010 - 260
                    2009 - 261
                    2008 - 263
                    2007 - 264
                    2006 - 262

                    In this context, AL 5 is roughly equivalent to a T-Score of 261±3.
                    May I ask these are compiled from official source?

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                    • Imp75I Offline
                      Imp75
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                      bbbay\" post_id=\"2124086\" time=\"1701336910\" user_id=\"175278:

                      I recall (and some parents have also mentioned it too), one of the possible reasons for the inconsistency when mapping T score to AL score could be due to higher Chinese grades. In T score days, it was + 3, + 2 or + 1 for distinction, merit and pass in higher Chinese. For 2 students, 1 with a distinction in HCL would have gotten 260+ 3= 263, and other student without HCL will be 260. In current AL banding , both of them are in AL6 (or 5). So we are seeing AL6(or 5) mapped to 260 and 263.
                      For ESIS, T score was not including HCL contribution, just 4 PSLE subjects.

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                      • bbbayB Offline
                        bbbay
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                        Imp75\" post_id=\"2124090\" time=\"1701340838\" user_id=\"2358:

                        For ESIS, T score was not including HCL contribution, just 4 PSLE subjects.
                        Noted. T score to AL score mapping exercise done by MOE back then should include HCL points too, as shown on school finder? I was pondering that exercise , not so much on ESIS matter

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