2008 P1 Registration Exercise for 2009 In-Take
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red_ryder
You can safely take the no. of applicants shown on MOE web (ie for those balloting within 1km) to be the actual no. of applicants who are actually staying within 1km. Those 1-2km and outside 2km would be told to withdraw after end of first day when the sch have compiled the no. of within 1km that have exceeded the no. of vacancies.
My colleague has this experience with Chongfu. My son’s nanny also had this same experience with De La Salle 2 yrs ago. To re-confirm, I called up De La Salle (I am due to register this end July) and was told the no. of applicants at 2C is actually all within 1km.
As someone put it, don’t know whether it is good or bad to be staying near good sch. So near, yet may not get ballot in. However, my colleague also justify that since need to ballot, don’t waste the chance. But must have back up plan. This back up plan must not have risk of balloting. -
dilemma:
I doubt that low birth-rate means easier to get into good school. If the cohort is small that year, MOE will just scale down the vacancies proportionally. Otherwise a lot of the less popular schools will be left empty right? Anyway, thanks for the info!Hi Red_ryder
Maybe you will have better chance next year as I understand that the birth rate in year of Goat is so much lesser than that of Horse. Henry Park is also a good school in this region.
Pei Tong has rebuilt the whole building so it must have the best facilities. Clementi Pri has two students scoring 275 and above last year. -
red_ryder:
Just a note - if you are thinking about Phase 2C in Henry Park, they require balloting for those residing within 1km. Registration using grandparents address will be categorised as registration within 1-2km regardless if the address is within 1km.If Henry Park is easier to get in, then I'll move to my parent's place in Ghim Moh and register from there.
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tianzhu
My views against Mr Chong & the writer:
1) no. of PRs being 50K is greater than our births of 40K: I don’t think the 50K PRs’ children are of the same age.
2) The govt treat all our sch (including neighbourhoods) as world class. So indeed there are sufficient places for all children of foreign talent.
3) The writer must be a foreign talent or PR. If one is able to migrate, that person must have lots of money. Usually such people would go to international sch.
If a (reputable) sch can expand no. of vacancies to cater to dragon babies, I wonder why they have to cut enrolment when no. of births reduces. They can jolly well take everyone in till their limit of 390 places. This would definitely reduce the level of stress. Of course, if MOE were to allow this, this would mean labelling sch as good vs not so good as they are trying to abolish the ranking. No matter what, we already know which are the prestigous sch.
I was not aware that PRs are given same priority as critizens. Just like there are different subsidy for different income levels, varied housing rules for first timers, live near parents, upgraders; perhaps for PRs to enjoy same or almost same priority is that they must be 10 yrs and not newly converted PR. Now there isn’t any statistics to show new PRs taking a huge portion of successful registrations. -
caroline3sg:
A few years down the road, you'll get more PRs vying for the already squeezed places available, especially in the popular schools. At least for current year registration, they may not be applying in phase 2A, but they can register in phase 2B. E.g. my colleague, both husband & wife are PRs, kid is also PR, they register in De La Salle under phase 2B, using church affiliation (they are catholics), and I am sure they are not the only ones.tianzhu
My views against Mr Chong & the writer:
1) no. of PRs being 50K is greater than our births of 40K: I don't think the 50K PRs' children are of the same age.
2) The govt treat all our sch (including neighbourhoods) as world class. So indeed there are sufficient places for all children of foreign talent.
3) The writer must be a foreign talent or PR. If one is able to migrate, that person must have lots of money. Usually such people would go to international sch.
If a (reputable) sch can expand no. of vacancies to cater to dragon babies, I wonder why they have to cut enrolment when no. of births reduces. They can jolly well take everyone in till their limit of 390 places. This would definitely reduce the level of stress. Of course, if MOE were to allow this, this would mean labelling sch as good vs not so good as they are trying to abolish the ranking. No matter what, we already know which are the prestigous sch.
I was not aware that PRs are given same priority as critizens. Just like there are different subsidy for different income levels, varied housing rules for first timers, live near parents, upgraders; perhaps for PRs to enjoy same or almost same priority is that they must be 10 yrs and not newly converted PR. Now there isn't any statistics to show new PRs taking a huge portion of successful registrations.
I am neutral on my take on whether or not to give priority to Singaporeans, just citing an example to show the reality. -
Complete Phase 2A results are in. Here are the updated predictions for Phase 2B:
Phase 2B
Likely less than 1km ballot situations
- CHIJ St Nicholas (quite definite now)
- Ai Tong (quite definite now)
- St Hilda's (risk increased)
- Catholic High (no change)
Possible 1-2km ballot situations
- Tao Nan (risk increased for less than 1km balloting)
- CHIJ Toa Payoh (risk increased for less than 1km balloting)
- Nanyang (no change)
- Holy Innocents (risk upgraded)
Possible greater than 2km balloting
- ACS Primary (risk increased)
- Nan Hua (risk increased)
- Henry Park (risk upgraded)
- Bukit Panjang (risk upgraded)
- Rivervale (risk upgraded)
- Maha Bodhi (risk upgraded)
- Chongzheng (risk upgraded)
- Rosyth (risk upgraded)
- Tao Nan (risk upgraded)
- Fairfield Methodish (risk upgraded)
- Methodist Girls School (no change)
- Chongfu (risk increased)
- St Anthony's (risk increased)
- Northland (risk increased)
- St Joseph (no change)
- Kong Hwa (no change)
- ACS Junior (no change)
- Nan Chiau (risk decreased - may not ballot in Phase 2B)
- De La Salle (risk decreased - may not ballot in Phase 2B)
- Pei Chun (no change - may not ballot in Phase 2B)
- Pei Hwa (no change - may not ballot in Phase 2B) -
CT:
Hi CT, your situation looks likely to be :Can anyone tell me the chances for balloting in phase 2C for
1. Nan Hua
2. Fairfield Methodist
3. Henry Park :?:
Nan Hua
- Take up rate by Phase 2A is 20% higher than last year
- Phase 2B balloting probable for greater than 2km
- Phase 2C balloting (quite definite) less than 1km
Fairfield Methodist
- Take up rate by Phase 2A is 6% higher than last year
- Phase 2B balloting possible for greater than 2km
- Phase 2C balloting (quite definite) less than 1km
Henry Park
- Take up rate by Phase 2A is 1% higher than last year
- Phase 2B balloting possible for greater than 2km
- Phase 2C balloting (quite definite) less than 1km -
We just discovered a fundamental error in our assumptions in our data we got from the 2007 Primary 1 registration exercise. We had assumed that “Registered” means “successful registration”, when in fact it means “Hopeful Applicants”. That led to an erroneous interpretation of the results into “schools will increase their in-take to cater to demand”. We have recomputed numbers and verified it against this year’s data, and found that schools will pretty much stick to the vacancies they publish at the beginning of the exercise, and the maximum variation we have found is an increase of 2 places in a school last year.
Fortunately, it didn’t change our rating of the schools very much in terms of take-up rates or balloting risks. The good news is that with the new assumption, we are able to really estimate the popularity of the schools based on actual applicants, and not just successful registrants.
We apologize for the confusion, and categorically state that neither the school nor MOE would do much to increase the class size or number of classes even if the demand is very high.
We have updated all the statistics including the latest 2008 Phase 2B results. -
Complete Phase 2B results are in.
Phase 2B confirmed balloting or cut-off
- CHIJ St Nicholas (180%!)
- St Hilda's (176%)
- St Joseph's (160%)
- Tao Nan (159%)
- Methodist Girls (145%)
- CHIJ Toa Payoh (139%)
- Holy Innocent's (139%)
- ACS Junior (134%)
- Ai Tong (134%)
- Catholic High (130%)
- Nan Hua (130%)
- Nan Chiau (126%)
- Temasek (124%)
- De La Salle (119%)
- ACS Primary (117%)
- Chongfu (115%)
- Pei Hwa (110%)
- Red Swastika (102%) (Not sure if got balloting yet)
- CHIJ (Katong) (101%) (Not sure if got balloting yet)
- Maha Bodhi (100%) (Not sure if got balloting yet)
No balloting in Phase 2B
* Nanyang (no change)
* Henry Park (risk upgraded)
* Bukit Panjang (risk upgraded)
* Rivervale (risk upgraded)
* Chongzheng (risk upgraded)
* Rosyth (risk upgraded)
* Fairfield Methodish (risk upgraded)
* St Anthony's (risk increased)
* Northland (risk increased)
* Pei Chun (no change - may not ballot in Phase 2B) -
ChiefKiasu:
Hi Chief Kiasu,Complete Phase 2B results are in.
Phase 2B confirmed balloting or cut-off
- CHIJ St Nicholas (180%!)
- St Hilda's (176%)
- St Joseph's (160%)
- Tao Nan (159%)
- Methodist Girls (145%)
- CHIJ Toa Payoh (139%)
- Holy Innocent's (139%)
- ACS Junior (134%)
- Ai Tong (134%)
- Catholic High (130%)
- Nan Hua (130%)
- Nan Chiau (126%)
- Temasek (124%)
- De La Salle (119%)
- ACS Primary (117%)
- Chongfu (115%)
- Pei Hwa (110%)
- Red Swastika (102%) (Not sure if got balloting yet)
- CHIJ (Katong) (101%) (Not sure if got balloting yet)
- Maha Bodhi (100%) (Not sure if got balloting yet)
No balloting in Phase 2B
* Nanyang (no change)
* Henry Park (risk upgraded)
* Bukit Panjang (risk upgraded)
* Rivervale (risk upgraded)
* Chongzheng (risk upgraded)
* Rosyth (risk upgraded)
* Fairfield Methodish (risk upgraded)
* St Anthony's (risk increased)
* Northland (risk increased)
* Pei Chun (no change - may not ballot in Phase 2B)
How about Radin Mas & River Valley? Possible 50% chance of balloting?