Is it easier to go University via the Polytechnic Route?

[noobparent]

Hi insider,


My pleasure to offer my 2 cents.

[jen.03343895]

Though poly students may generally stands a lower chance of entering a local uni compared to their JC peers, the trend is changing. Poly diploma are very well recognised in overseas universities, and often receive many exemptions, as well as advance standings.


Poly students are in no way inferior to their JC peers, and can score equally well in the university education. Many poly students are eligible for JC education as well. In fact, some JC peers might not even qualified to enter certain course, such as International Business in SP and NP per say. It is just a matter of fact that they have different view and preference in their education routes.

Also, if you take a look at the Cut-Off-Points of various local universities, the grade needed to enter uni such as NUS through JC-path is not easy (ie need roughly ABB/B).

[noobparent]

http://www.nus.edu.sg/oam/gradeprofile/sprogramme-igp.html


This link is useful for the indicative grades required to enter NUS.

[rosemummy]

There had been many reported cases of poly grads going on to top unis overseas, but from what I recall, all of them are from the science / engineering / biomedical. I don’t recall reading about anyone from the business courses going on to top undergraduate business schools, though the business courses (esp Ngee Ann) have some of the lowest COP.


Anyone know of those from the business courses making it to the top business schools straight after their diploma? I know of 2 poly grads who transferred to top private unis in the US (incl an Ivy League uni) after doing their general education at a community college. I hear that both uni didn’t even require their poly transcripts, basing their admission decision mainly on their GPA at the community college.

[noobparent]

rosemummy:

There had been many reported cases of poly grads going on to top unis overseas, but from what I recall, all of them are from the science / engineering / biomedical. I don't recall reading about anyone from the business courses going on to top undergraduate business schools, though the business courses (esp Ngee Ann) have some of the lowest COP.


Anyone know of those from the business courses making it to the top business schools straight after their diploma? I know of 2 poly grads who transferred to top private unis in the US (incl an Ivy League uni) after doing their general education at a community college. I hear that both uni didn't even require their poly transcripts, basing their admission decision mainly on their GPA at the community college.

Rosemummy,

can you clarify by giving some examples of a top undergrad business school?

[INNOVATE]

insider:

noobparent:

Yes, I have heard that the business courses at the Polys are very competitive, in terms of entry requirements.


But surely it cannot be that the average student in say a Business course has a GPA of more than 3.5 - this is an average of A minus?

Unless we are saying that the marking is not on a curve, which logically means that an entire class can get A for a certain subject.

I am also puzzled but taking into considerations that the course admitted kids with good COPs to begin with, it maybe possible in a sense. If max COP is 9, meaning there are many 'performers' inside.

For International Business, the class size is only about 40 (again if I remember correctly). Think Ngee Ann may want to really concentrate on this group of kids to make them shine for the school...

Hve a sister who is a lecturer in NP for a number of years. Possible to get the entire cohort bio-medical or international business to score highly as every project team member is a good scorer in 0-level. Marking is never base on bell cureve unlike A-level. Hence lies its advantage in this instance over a jc peep.

Strictly speaking on the cop of the top two polys' most competitive courses, it is well within the ability of the top 2nd tier jcs' students ie L1R4 10-2. Generally, it is not too difficult to assess a student's aptitude /suitability for jc vs poly education. Always i try to encourage 0-level grads within this score range to consider applied education in cases whereby the students needed to work hard the entire year to hit this performance.

As for direct entry to oxbridge after graduation, hve not heard of any succesful placement yet. Feels that over the next 7 yrs it could be the golden era of polys education to tap high ability students as these students also hve access to our unis.

With more IPs coming onstream, fear that the quality of their future top students intake will be affected.

[noobparent]

Yes the IPs will cream off the best of the cohort right after PSLE.

[Hotspurs68]

noobparent:

rosemummy:

There had been many reported cases of poly grads going on to top unis overseas, but from what I recall, all of them are from the science / engineering / biomedical. I don't recall reading about anyone from the business courses going on to top undergraduate business schools, though the business courses (esp Ngee Ann) have some of the lowest COP.


Anyone know of those from the business courses making it to the top business schools straight after their diploma? I know of 2 poly grads who transferred to top private unis in the US (incl an Ivy League uni) after doing their general education at a community college. I hear that both uni didn't even require their poly transcripts, basing their admission decision mainly on their GPA at the community college.

Hi Noobparent,

FYI, SP (being a lecturer there) has produced students who have successfully completed good degree programmes at LSE and even onmoved on to do their MBAs at the likes of Columbia U at NY and Imperial College. I have personally taught a student who is currently at Tanaka School of Business of Imperial College London.

Hope this helps.



Rosemummy,

can you clarify by giving some examples of a top undergrad business school?

[Hotspurs68]

rosemummy:

There had been many reported cases of poly grads going on to top unis overseas, but from what I recall, all of them are from the science / engineering / biomedical. I don't recall reading about anyone from the business courses going on to top undergraduate business schools, though the business courses (esp Ngee Ann) have some of the lowest COP.


Anyone know of those from the business courses making it to the top business schools straight after their diploma? I know of 2 poly grads who transferred to top private unis in the US (incl an Ivy League uni) after doing their general education at a community college. I hear that both uni didn't even require their poly transcripts, basing their admission decision mainly on their GPA at the community college.

Hi,

While that is possble, I truly doubt an Ivy would admit such students unless they have been SUPER Spectacular in their community college (and I mean both academically as well as in their non acad activities). Ivies usually admit based on how wholistic an education an individual has received and of course, his or her performance.

[noobparent]

Hotspurs68:

rosemummy:

There had been many reported cases of poly grads going on to top unis overseas, but from what I recall, all of them are from the science / engineering / biomedical. I don't recall reading about anyone from the business courses going on to top undergraduate business schools, though the business courses (esp Ngee Ann) have some of the lowest COP.


Anyone know of those from the business courses making it to the top business schools straight after their diploma? I know of 2 poly grads who transferred to top private unis in the US (incl an Ivy League uni) after doing their general education at a community college. I hear that both uni didn't even require their poly transcripts, basing their admission decision mainly on their GPA at the community college.

Hi,

While that is possble, I truly doubt an Ivy would admit such students unless they have been SUPER Spectacular in their community college (and I mean both academically as well as in their non acad activities). Ivies usually admit based on how wholistic an education an individual has received and of course, his or her performance.

Well, there are always exceptions. Maybe I should re-phrase. At least there are notable exceptions, including the recent SP grad who made it to Harvard. This was impossible 5 to 10 years ago.

That said, I think the general point that should be made in this thread is that it is still an exception for Poly grads to move on top Unis worldwide. Perhaps somebody can shed on the numbers each year, I really have no idea.

Anyway, I ask all these questions to educate myself. Last time, the Polys were obviously a lot less progressive compared to today.

I graduated from a top JC about a decade and a half ago. Virtually every student in my civics tutorial (CT) group had good enough grades to get into top overseas Unis. At least 5 went to Oxbridge. One of the President scholars my year came from my CT group.