Logo
    • Education
      • Pre-School
      • Primary Schools Directory
      • Primary Schools Articles
      • P1 Registration
      • DSA
      • PSLE
      • Secondary
      • Tertiary
      • Special Needs
    • Lifestyle
      • Well-being
    • Activities
      • Events
    • Enrichment & Services
      • Find A Service Provider
      • Enrichment Articles
      • Enrichment Services
      • Tuition Centre/Private Tutor
      • Infant Care/ Childcare / Student Care Centre
      • Kindergarten/Preschool
      • Private Institutions and International Schools
      • Special Needs
      • Indoor & Outdoor Playgrounds
      • Paediatrics
      • Neonatal Care
    • Forum
    • ASKQ
    • Register
    • Login

    Asian Mums are more SUPERIOR?

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Working With Your Child
    272 Posts 52 Posters 105.1k Views 1 Watching
    Loading More Posts
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as topic
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • T Offline
      tamarind
      last edited by

      rosemummy:
      tamarind:



      My girl's report book shows the highest, mean and median. But I think that these are not enough to make the assumption that most students who scored 70s-80s will drop further in upper primary. We will need detailed results of each student to prove this work.

      well, you can see that the median and mean will drop as they progress. The students in the top classes also don't change that much over the years. Those who don't do well in P1 / 2 usually stay that way. There're no lack of examples of those who improve and do much better in later years, but they remain the exception, which is why we read of some of these cases in the news. Those with significant improvements are given some awards (I think by Edusave) and the percentage of such students are low.

      I still do not think that there are enough facts and figures to support the statement that \"most student in the 70s-80s range will drop further\". It does not seem logical to me to make such assumptions. Anyway, no point arguing further.

      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • C Offline
        Chenonceau
        last edited by

        Hee!


        AutumBronze, Shweppes & Rosemummy...

        :grphug:

        This site has quite the coolest emoticons!!

        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
        • R Offline
          rosemummy
          last edited by

          Chenonceau:
          Hee!


          AutumBronze, Shweppes & Rosemummy...

          :grphug:

          This site has quite the coolest emoticons!!
          :hugs:

          Btw, how old is your girl? I've a 17 year old year girl who's a sophomore in a US liberal arts college.

          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • R Offline
            rosemummy
            last edited by

            tamarind:
            rosemummy:

            [quote=\"tamarind\"]

            My girl's report book shows the highest, mean and median. But I think that these are not enough to make the assumption that most students who scored 70s-80s will drop further in upper primary. We will need detailed results of each student to prove this work.

            well, you can see that the median and mean will drop as they progress. The students in the top classes also don't change that much over the years. Those who don't do well in P1 / 2 usually stay that way. There're no lack of examples of those who improve and do much better in later years, but they remain the exception, which is why we read of some of these cases in the news. Those with significant improvements are given some awards (I think by Edusave) and the percentage of such students are low.

            I still do not think that there are enough facts and figures to support the statement that \"most student in the 70s-80s range will drop further\". It does not seem logical to me to make such assumptions. Anyway, no point arguing further.[/quote]Yes, no point arguing. But just to clarify, what I've said is that the drop in mark is across the board, not just for those scoring in the 70 to 80 range. That is apparent from the grade trend given by the school. Those scoring in the 70s will drop to below 70 unless they buck the general trend.

            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • C Offline
              Chenonceau
              last edited by

              rosemummy:
              Chenonceau:

              Hee!


              AutumBronze, Shweppes & Rosemummy...

              :grphug:

              This site has quite the coolest emoticons!!

              :hugs:

              Btw, how old is your girl? I've a 17 year old year girl who's a sophomore in a US liberal arts college.

              She'll turn 18 this year.

              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
              • T Offline
                toddles
                last edited by

                This presents a more balanced view of Amy (Tiger) Chua.


                http://amfix.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/13/are-chinese-mothers-models-for-rest/

                I guess she got to speak for herself instead of being presented in a certain way by WSJ to sell advertising space.

                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • C Offline
                  Chenonceau
                  last edited by

                  toddles:
                  This presents a more balanced view of Amy (Tiger) Chua.


                  http://amfix.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/13/are-chinese-mothers-models-for-rest/

                  I guess she got to speak for herself instead of being presented in a certain way by WSJ to sell advertising space.
                  She keeps repeating that the best way to build self-esteem (true rock solid confidence and courage to face all the difficulties life can throw you) is to help the child achieve what he/she thought impossible.

                  I absolutely embrace that.

                  WSJ portrayed her as threatening her child to not give up. That may or may not be true. Whatever it is, the principle of accompanying the child through his/her first failures and helping that child to realize that he or she can stare down failures to achieve what he/she thought impossible is a priceless psychological gift. This gift will see that child through to academic success (and life success) way beyond the years where a parent can no longer even understand the syllabus in school (and where a parent is too old to help the child through life).

                  Amy Chua got that right I think.

                  Don't underestimate your kids. Don't make excuses for them. Until they have tried long and hard, you won't know what they're made of. And don't help them too explicitly. They've gotta think THEY did it or it won't build character.

                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                  • K Offline
                    kohhweelin.010441gmail.010441com
                    last edited by

                    Amy Chua’s article is published in today’s Straits Times under Review and Forum.

                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                    • 2 Offline
                      2ppaamm
                      last edited by

                      Chenonceau:
                      I am not weighing in on the debate Pro-Drilling or Against-Drilling. Because, I do both depending on the situation. I rather suspect that most Mommies here do too. We all do a bit of both I think. I am also not telling other mommies/daddies what best they should do because I am not in their situation.


                      I went and dug out The Daughter's report book. Here is my story.

                      The Daughter scored 79 for English, 88 for Math in P1. She placed in the bottom 25% of her YEAR. However, in P1 she scored 99% for Chinese because Grandma plied her with assessment books. Little Boy's grades followed the same pattern.

                      English, Math and Science were my subjects to coach. Chinese was Grandma's. We took very different approaches. I looked past the grades in P1 & P2 for both my kids. In P1 & P2 my objectives were (1) they get used to school, (2) they adapt well socially, (3) they learn basic self-management skills, (4) the kinda keep up, (5) they like learning (6) they understand the value of diligence and discipline, and (7) they take full ownership of their studies.

                      These were all specific qualitative aims I had in mind. Not quantifiable but I wanted to focus on laying this foundation so that I would have a strong foundation of work ethic and self-management skills to build on in Upper Primary.

                      P1 & P2: Foundational Study Skills
                      I expected my kids to pack their bags, take notes, keep track of homework etc... That's tough you know for the little ones. So many times, they forgot their books. My son lost his exam schedule and I didn't help him get another. For 3 weeks, he went to school with his transparent exam pencil box because we didn't know when exactly his exams where and which day was what exam.

                      How to get good grades like that?

                      Nonetheless, whilst they were thus struggling, I was always warm and supportive ... and I gave a lot of loving advice. Next time, you need to remember this and that and the other. I had high expectations (about specific behaviors, not grades) but I tried not to help. I didn't gloat or say \"Hah! You deserved it!\" That's very mean and discouraging. Every boo boo was an opportunity to talk about how my child could manage himself better.

                      I gave very little drills at this stage. If they remembered to do their homework, I was happy. My kids \"failed\" at this stage but neither really failed as in score below 50. I did not allow that to happen. Their lowest grades were still 70+. I reckoned that that was what I could live with... believing that catch up was imminently possible from a 70s range.

                      P3 & P4: Transiting From Skills Focus to Grades Focus
                      By P3, they pretty much got the hang of the skills required to keep one's head afloat in school. They took notes, their bags were neat and they owned their study process completely because whilst I was encouraging and free with my advice, I tried not to help too much. So, about P3, I began to set grade goals (90+ for every subject).

                      At first, neither kid believed they were capable (since neither had ever scored in that range before except for Chinese), but I told them that I knew they could do it.

                      I began to PROPOSE drills, and because both are close to me, they do bend to my wishes even when gently proposed. Mostly I gave them past year exams from other schools. I planned the schedule and checked in every weekend to see if everything was done, and done well. At this stage, I was still refining study skills. I wanted to see careful work, good handwriting... I was less fussy about grades than I was about general work quality. I threw absolute hissy fits when work was shoddy and careless, but looked past genuine errors and absolute scores.

                      By end-P4, they were hitting the 90s in English, Math and Science. Strangely though, their Chinese grades dropped to the 80s. I kept telling Grandma that the way she taught the children Chinese made them feel like they didn't own the process. When they did well in Chinese, Grandma felt proud that she was a good teacher and hardworking too and conscientious. But my kids felt dispossessed of their glory. Their Chinese marks belonged to Grandma. Also, as you move into P4, the syllabus changes. Whether Chinese, English, Science or Math, the kids nowadays are no longer tested what is in the textbook.

                      By P3 & P4, kids are tested OUTSIDE of what is stated in the textbook. Grandma was still drilling textbook material. To score in the 90s for Science, Little Boy had to do independent internet Science research! We constructed Powerpoint slides, put him in a Professor's geeky glasses and made him present his findings. To score in the 90s for English, we were reading tons of storybooks and practising how to create metaphors, analogies and alliterative effects (e.g., Pretty Puddle of Pungent Poo). We read poetry. Basically, there was no way to drill our way to success because there was no way to predict what would be tested. Anything could be tested, and so I took a blunderbuss approach - LEARN EVERYTHING INTERESTING and HAVE FUN. Look at what teacher taught, ask questions of yourself and look for the answers on your own. Never mind if not in syllabus. You learn more and you won't die, and you'll have fun.

                      \"The grades will come\" I promised them. Back then, it was me putting on a brave front and being a brave mother so that my children would have the strength to carry on and keep trying. I couldn't tell them I didn't believe in them. In this way, I concur with Amy Chua... the best thing you can do for your child is to believe in him.

                      Meanwhile, Grandma went on drilling from the textbook. And whatever I said to her, she wouldn't budge from her time-tested method. She had been a Chinese Teacher in the past and had tutored even Mrs Carmee Lim's daughters (ex-Principal of RGS). She thought she knew best but her methods were outdated and designed for a syllabus and an approach that was past.

                      P5 & P6: ABSOLUTE Grade Focus
                      In P5 and P6, I became Tiger Mother. The Daughter came home one day in P6 and waved a Science paper scored 98% in my face. I said \"It was an easy exam. The PSLE won't be this easy.\" The Daughter has never forgotten that scathing comment.

                      I reckoned that by P5 & P6, my kids had amassed enough resilience and process skills to take some knocks and I did knock them about, though never as hard as what Amy Chua seems to have done.

                      Starting P5, there was a consistent practice schedule which intensified as we moved into the 2nd quarter of P6. I devised the schedule collaboratively with my kids and I was sensitive to their mental and physical states. I had no qualms about deleting work if I thought it was too much. I wanted to manage my kids energy levels. Must always have time to recharge even if grades suffered meantime. The rule in the house is to NEVER TOUCH BOOKS 3 days before and exam paper. And I made sure I allocated whole days or whole weeks of NO BOOKS so that they could play to their hearts' content.

                      There was a constant process of watching and adjusting. There was a lot of trust and dialogue. I worked them hard but I made sure that I was there to encourage and listen to their problems. But they still owned their study process. I proposed a work schedule and they decided if they could manage. More often than not, they would ADD in stuff and tell me \"Mommy, I can try.\" They knew that the PSLE was an important exam.

                      I also built in a natural reward into the work schedule. If they somehow did their work fast and well, they had that extra time to play. I never gave more work when they finished theirs earlier than I had expected. And whenever I could, and they had finished earlier than expected, I would take time off work to play with them. Go somewhere they wanna go... do something they like... together.

                      Results
                      The Daughter placed consistently in the top 3 places from P5 to Sec 2. In Sec 3, she was handpicked for an accelerated program where the others were smarter and just as driven as she. To keep up, she really pushed herself. End Sec 3, she was in hospital with pneumonia, a result of 2 months of flu and insufficient rest. She was so motivated that it had become a problem. I went to school and got an exemption for one month of homework... plus I locked up her laptop. She vegetated at home that month.

                      Little Boy is now in P5. He looks at the work schedule that we worked out and if I decide to delete an item, he will say \"Leave it in Mom. I will try.\"

                      Unfortunately, The Daughter's Chinese marks at 'O' levels went down to the 50s. She hated Chinese and rebelled completely against Grandma's micro-managing ways. Little Boy's Chinese dropped to 79 for the first time in end-P4. So, I've taken over Chinese from Grandma too... and I'm doing it my way now. Read a lot, have a lotta fun, and to hell with textbook. I will be introducing exam practices later in the year however. Learn and have fun first. Drill later.

                      Both drill and no-drill are important to me.

                      My Objective
                      I don't need my kids to be the best in class... but I want them to be the best they can be. If what they can be is 80+, then fine... and seriously, The Daughter's class now is full of people who are so smart she and I feel stupid. That's fine. We're not as smart. And we don't need to be.

                      She got where she was not because she was smart, but because she was motivated. Motivation can get a child farther than a parent's best wishes and most beautiful dreams. The Daughter is no longer at the top of her class anymore, but that is fine because I know she has reached her potential and maybe even a little beyond. The same with Little Boy. I know he can manage 90+ in every subject if he wants to. Even Chinese.

                      The trick is to make them want to. And the first step is to turn the ownership of the study process over to them... and make them own it. This should be done early enough (I think). I have just sacked Grandma and turned the ownership of Chinese over to Little Boy. He used to roll his eyes when Grandma complained he was slow. Today, in the car, he said \"Mom, I have a problem. I am slow in my compo. Others have done 1.5 pages, I've only done 1.\"

                      He now owns his problem and I play the familar supportive role \"Oh never mind... you keep on reading those books and one day, the grades will come. I promise\" and I look at him with a confident smile. This way, he will keep on trying... and he will end up where he ends up in Chinese. And I will still be happy even if it isn't 90+.

                      Not the Only Approach
                      I consciously took an approach where I focused first on Foundational Study Skills to the detriment of grades. It worked for me. I am sure there are other parents who focused on both at the same time quite successfully. I am sharing my story because it isn't a usual approach, but it worked for me.
                      Haven't visited this site for a few months. This is an excellent post! This Chinese Mother thingy got me thinking for a while these two days, and sometimes, I do have to turn to some of the skills Amy Chua uses. However, the same parenting style CANNOT be applicable to all children. We as parents really have to adjust our styles and ways according to our children's needs and personalities.

                      I showed the article to DS1 and DD1 yesterday. DD1 said, \"Mom, you are more a Western mom.\" in the afternoon. In the evening, DS1 said, \"Mom, you are definitely a Chinese mom. You made me study till late when I was P1, you made me practise on the piano until I perfected every technique. The only difference is you've never insulted me.\"

                      I sat DS1 down for a short chat that lasted two hours. DS1 is now 16 and into his final year in the university and he has gone past his teenage rebellion (which didn't last very long anyway). Over the last two weeks, we have been working on his new path: applying a place to do PhD before he enlists for NS. We discussed why I did the things I did, how I have 'evolved' as a mother, and how it has all been a learning process for me as well. In the end, he agreed the Chinese mother method did work, minus the discouraging, scary parts, replaced with love and encouragement, and given the rights to discuss his interests.

                      With DD1, I've never had to be a Chinese mother. If I had been, it would be really painful for the both of us. I knew it from the start. She is motivated by nature, and always wanting to do well. Her nursery teacher told me that. She was only three. DD1 will be starting her uni this year at 14, entering the uni with an exceptional GPA of 3.9 out of 4, without me ever knowing her syllables. Instead of asking her to work hard, I had to ask her to go and sleep most nights. From young, she had never allowed her spelling or tingxie to fall below 100%. For a disciplined child, more discipline would only cause anxiety. So with DD1, I gave a lot of leeway, but I was always strict in that she could not go out and hang out with her friends in shopping centres or fast food restaurants. She could go for movies, for a meal and to buy stuff, but never to hang out.

                      If we read Amy Chua's book in totality, she admitted in the end that when Lulu rebelled at 13, she went through a very dark part of her life. Fortunately for me, my son never rebelled, maybe because I was blessed enough to have many children (5 in total) to worry about that not all the attention was on him. Also, I have never forced him to do beyond his potential.

                      I've never thought I'm a great mom, but I was always happy with my children's small achievements. But with DS2, I was totally thrown off track. I have no clue what to do with him. This child is tested profoundly gifted and was also diagnosed with ASD. Though gifted, his learning capabilities were totally impaired by anxieties. I went through the whole healing process with him. Some will remember the dark moments I went through last year as well. I turned to professionals and spent lots and lots and lots of money. To my BIG, BIG, BIG surprise, he made a 180 degrees changed just over two months and begin to function almost normally now. We are so happy with his change, and the teachers are surprised as well.

                      With a special needs child who is exceptionally gifted, I know the methods I used for DS1, DD1, DD2 will be different, and I'm still learning what's the best. Parenting is indeed a learning process: for me, for Amy Chua and for every mother or father.

                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                      • 2 Offline
                        2ppaamm
                        last edited by

                        Chenonceau:
                        I am not weighing in on the debate Pro-Drilling or Against-Drilling. Because, I do both depending on the situation. I rather suspect that most Mommies here do too. We all do a bit of both I think. I am also not telling other mommies/daddies what best they should do because I am not in their situation.


                        I went and dug out The Daughter's report book. Here is my story.

                        The Daughter scored 79 for English, 88 for Math in P1. She placed in the bottom 25% of her YEAR. However, in P1 she scored 99% for Chinese because Grandma plied her with assessment books. Little Boy's grades followed the same pattern.

                        English, Math and Science were my subjects to coach. Chinese was Grandma's. We took very different approaches. I looked past the grades in P1 & P2 for both my kids. In P1 & P2 my objectives were (1) they get used to school, (2) they adapt well socially, (3) they learn basic self-management skills, (4) the kinda keep up, (5) they like learning (6) they understand the value of diligence and discipline, and (7) they take full ownership of their studies.

                        These were all specific qualitative aims I had in mind. Not quantifiable but I wanted to focus on laying this foundation so that I would have a strong foundation of work ethic and self-management skills to build on in Upper Primary.

                        P1 & P2: Foundational Study Skills
                        I expected my kids to pack their bags, take notes, keep track of homework etc... That's tough you know for the little ones. So many times, they forgot their books. My son lost his exam schedule and I didn't help him get another. For 3 weeks, he went to school with his transparent exam pencil box because we didn't know when exactly his exams where and which day was what exam.

                        How to get good grades like that?

                        Nonetheless, whilst they were thus struggling, I was always warm and supportive ... and I gave a lot of loving advice. Next time, you need to remember this and that and the other. I had high expectations (about specific behaviors, not grades) but I tried not to help. I didn't gloat or say \"Hah! You deserved it!\" That's very mean and discouraging. Every boo boo was an opportunity to talk about how my child could manage himself better.

                        I gave very little drills at this stage. If they remembered to do their homework, I was happy. My kids \"failed\" at this stage but neither really failed as in score below 50. I did not allow that to happen. Their lowest grades were still 70+. I reckoned that that was what I could live with... believing that catch up was imminently possible from a 70s range.

                        P3 & P4: Transiting From Skills Focus to Grades Focus
                        By P3, they pretty much got the hang of the skills required to keep one's head afloat in school. They took notes, their bags were neat and they owned their study process completely because whilst I was encouraging and free with my advice, I tried not to help too much. So, about P3, I began to set grade goals (90+ for every subject).

                        At first, neither kid believed they were capable (since neither had ever scored in that range before except for Chinese), but I told them that I knew they could do it.

                        I began to PROPOSE drills, and because both are close to me, they do bend to my wishes even when gently proposed. Mostly I gave them past year exams from other schools. I planned the schedule and checked in every weekend to see if everything was done, and done well. At this stage, I was still refining study skills. I wanted to see careful work, good handwriting... I was less fussy about grades than I was about general work quality. I threw absolute hissy fits when work was shoddy and careless, but looked past genuine errors and absolute scores.

                        By end-P4, they were hitting the 90s in English, Math and Science. Strangely though, their Chinese grades dropped to the 80s. I kept telling Grandma that the way she taught the children Chinese made them feel like they didn't own the process. When they did well in Chinese, Grandma felt proud that she was a good teacher and hardworking too and conscientious. But my kids felt dispossessed of their glory. Their Chinese marks belonged to Grandma. Also, as you move into P4, the syllabus changes. Whether Chinese, English, Science or Math, the kids nowadays are no longer tested what is in the textbook.

                        By P3 & P4, kids are tested OUTSIDE of what is stated in the textbook. Grandma was still drilling textbook material. To score in the 90s for Science, Little Boy had to do independent internet Science research! We constructed Powerpoint slides, put him in a Professor's geeky glasses and made him present his findings. To score in the 90s for English, we were reading tons of storybooks and practising how to create metaphors, analogies and alliterative effects (e.g., Pretty Puddle of Pungent Poo). We read poetry. Basically, there was no way to drill our way to success because there was no way to predict what would be tested. Anything could be tested, and so I took a blunderbuss approach - LEARN EVERYTHING INTERESTING and HAVE FUN. Look at what teacher taught, ask questions of yourself and look for the answers on your own. Never mind if not in syllabus. You learn more and you won't die, and you'll have fun.

                        \"The grades will come\" I promised them. Back then, it was me putting on a brave front and being a brave mother so that my children would have the strength to carry on and keep trying. I couldn't tell them I didn't believe in them. In this way, I concur with Amy Chua... the best thing you can do for your child is to believe in him.

                        Meanwhile, Grandma went on drilling from the textbook. And whatever I said to her, she wouldn't budge from her time-tested method. She had been a Chinese Teacher in the past and had tutored even Mrs Carmee Lim's daughters (ex-Principal of RGS). She thought she knew best but her methods were outdated and designed for a syllabus and an approach that was past.

                        P5 & P6: ABSOLUTE Grade Focus
                        In P5 and P6, I became Tiger Mother. The Daughter came home one day in P6 and waved a Science paper scored 98% in my face. I said \"It was an easy exam. The PSLE won't be this easy.\" The Daughter has never forgotten that scathing comment.

                        I reckoned that by P5 & P6, my kids had amassed enough resilience and process skills to take some knocks and I did knock them about, though never as hard as what Amy Chua seems to have done.

                        Starting P5, there was a consistent practice schedule which intensified as we moved into the 2nd quarter of P6. I devised the schedule collaboratively with my kids and I was sensitive to their mental and physical states. I had no qualms about deleting work if I thought it was too much. I wanted to manage my kids energy levels. Must always have time to recharge even if grades suffered meantime. The rule in the house is to NEVER TOUCH BOOKS 3 days before and exam paper. And I made sure I allocated whole days or whole weeks of NO BOOKS so that they could play to their hearts' content.

                        There was a constant process of watching and adjusting. There was a lot of trust and dialogue. I worked them hard but I made sure that I was there to encourage and listen to their problems. But they still owned their study process. I proposed a work schedule and they decided if they could manage. More often than not, they would ADD in stuff and tell me \"Mommy, I can try.\" They knew that the PSLE was an important exam.

                        I also built in a natural reward into the work schedule. If they somehow did their work fast and well, they had that extra time to play. I never gave more work when they finished theirs earlier than I had expected. And whenever I could, and they had finished earlier than expected, I would take time off work to play with them. Go somewhere they wanna go... do something they like... together.

                        Results
                        The Daughter placed consistently in the top 3 places from P5 to Sec 2. In Sec 3, she was handpicked for an accelerated program where the others were smarter and just as driven as she. To keep up, she really pushed herself. End Sec 3, she was in hospital with pneumonia, a result of 2 months of flu and insufficient rest. She was so motivated that it had become a problem. I went to school and got an exemption for one month of homework... plus I locked up her laptop. She vegetated at home that month.

                        Little Boy is now in P5. He looks at the work schedule that we worked out and if I decide to delete an item, he will say \"Leave it in Mom. I will try.\"

                        Unfortunately, The Daughter's Chinese marks at 'O' levels went down to the 50s. She hated Chinese and rebelled completely against Grandma's micro-managing ways. Little Boy's Chinese dropped to 79 for the first time in end-P4. So, I've taken over Chinese from Grandma too... and I'm doing it my way now. Read a lot, have a lotta fun, and to hell with textbook. I will be introducing exam practices later in the year however. Learn and have fun first. Drill later.

                        Both drill and no-drill are important to me.

                        My Objective
                        I don't need my kids to be the best in class... but I want them to be the best they can be. If what they can be is 80+, then fine... and seriously, The Daughter's class now is full of people who are so smart she and I feel stupid. That's fine. We're not as smart. And we don't need to be.

                        She got where she was not because she was smart, but because she was motivated. Motivation can get a child farther than a parent's best wishes and most beautiful dreams. The Daughter is no longer at the top of her class anymore, but that is fine because I know she has reached her potential and maybe even a little beyond. The same with Little Boy. I know he can manage 90+ in every subject if he wants to. Even Chinese.

                        The trick is to make them want to. And the first step is to turn the ownership of the study process over to them... and make them own it. This should be done early enough (I think). I have just sacked Grandma and turned the ownership of Chinese over to Little Boy. He used to roll his eyes when Grandma complained he was slow. Today, in the car, he said \"Mom, I have a problem. I am slow in my compo. Others have done 1.5 pages, I've only done 1.\"

                        He now owns his problem and I play the familar supportive role \"Oh never mind... you keep on reading those books and one day, the grades will come. I promise\" and I look at him with a confident smile. This way, he will keep on trying... and he will end up where he ends up in Chinese. And I will still be happy even if it isn't 90+.

                        Not the Only Approach
                        I consciously took an approach where I focused first on Foundational Study Skills to the detriment of grades. It worked for me. I am sure there are other parents who focused on both at the same time quite successfully. I am sharing my story because it isn't a usual approach, but it worked for me.
                        Haven't visited this site for a few months. This is an excellent post! This Chinese Mother thingy got me thinking for a while these two days, and sometimes, I do have to turn to some of the harsh methods Amy Chua described. However, the same parenting style CANNOT be applicable to all children. We as parents really have to adjust our styles and ways according to our children's needs and personalities.

                        I showed the article to DS1 and DD1 yesterday. DD1 said, \"Mom, you are more a Western mom.\" in the afternoon. In the evening, DS1 said, \"Mom, you are definitely a Chinese mom. You made me study till late when I was P1, you made me practise on the piano until I perfected every technique. The only difference is you've never insulted me.\"

                        I sat DS1 down for a short chat that lasted two hours. (DS1 is now 16 and into his final year in the university and he has gone past his teenage rebellion (which didn't last very long anyway). Over the last two weeks, DS1 has been excited about finding the right PhD program and hoping to complete his postgrad degree before he enlists for NS at 21. We all thought going to the army at 17 ahead of his peers is not a good idea.) We discussed why I did the things I did, how I have 'evolved' as a mother, and how it has all been a learning process for me as well. In the end, he agreed the Chinese mother method did work, minus the discouraging, scary parts, replaced with love and encouragement, and given the rights to discuss his interests.

                        With DD1, I've never had to be a Chinese mother. If I had been, it would be really painful for the both of us. I knew it from the start. She is motivated by nature, and always wanting to do well. Her nursery teacher told me that she will be 'somebody' when she was only three. DD1 will be starting her uni this year at 14, entering the uni with an exceptional GPA of 3.9 out of 4, without me ever knowing her syllables. Instead of asking her to work hard, I had to ask her to go and sleep most nights. From young, she had never allowed her spelling or tingxie to fall below 100%. For a disciplined child, more discipline would only cause anxiety. So with DD1, I gave a lot of leeway, but I was always strict in that she could not go out and hang out with her friends in shopping centres or fast food restaurants. She could go for movies, for a meal and to buy stuff, but never to hang out.

                        If we read Amy Chua's book in totality, she admitted in the end that when Lulu rebelled at 13, she went through a very dark part of her life. Fortunately for me, my son never rebelled, maybe because I was blessed enough to have many children (5 in total) to worry about that not all the attention was on him. Also, I have never forced him to do beyond his potential.

                        I've never thought I'm a great mom, but I was always happy with my children's small achievements. But with DS2, I was totally thrown off track. I have no clue what to do with him. This child is tested profoundly gifted and was also diagnosed with ASD. Though gifted, his learning capabilities were totally impaired by anxieties. I went through the whole healing process with him. Some will remember the dark moments I went through last year as well. There was misdiagnosis, wrong methods, ambitious program, KPI-driven schools and teachers which all went wrong. I turned to even more professional professionals and spent lots and lots and lots of money with no expectation or hope, just doing these routinely as a mum and proving to the educators that I was doing something. To my BIG, BIG, BIG surprise, he made a 180 degrees change just over two months when I found the right help. He is now beginning to function normally - just like he did when he was little. We are so happy with his change, and the teachers are surprised as well. He is beginning to learn again and I'm just so glad because he has discovered that he can learn in school.

                        With a special needs child who is exceptionally gifted with a learning impairment, I know the methods I have used for DS1, DD1, DD2 will not be totally applicable. I am also aware nobody can really help me because he is probably one of only 2 or 3 in Singapore and maybe one of at most 100 in the world. I'm resigned to the fact that I'm pretty much on my own with ad-hoc help from friends like those on this website. I'm still learning and discovering what's the best way to realize DS2's potential. Although I do not know how yet, and therefore cannot have a plan like Chenonceau's, I know I will be fine as long as I am willing to learn and adapt accordingly. Parenting is indeed a learning process: for me, for Amy Chua, for you and for every mother or father. I guess that's the fantastic calling we are privileged with.

                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0

                        Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.

                        Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.

                        With your input, this post could be even better 💗

                        Register Login
                        • 1
                        • 2
                        • 7
                        • 8
                        • 9
                        • 10
                        • 11
                        • 27
                        • 28
                        • 9 / 28
                        • First post
                          Last post



                        Online Users
                        nicdonN
                        nicdon

                        Statistics

                        7

                        Online

                        210.8k

                        Users

                        34.3k

                        Topics

                        1.8m

                        Posts
                        Popular Topics
                        New to the KiasuParents forum? Tips and Tricks!
                        Choosing and Evaluating Primary Schools
                        DSA 2026
                        PSLE Discussions and Strategies
                        How much do you spend on the kids' tuition/enrichments?
                        SkillsFuture + anything related to upskilling/learning something new!

                          About Us Contact Us forum Terms of Service Privacy Policy