P2 Math - General Discussion
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RRMummy:
Hi Dr. Yeap,- you may read Dr. Yeap Ban Har's reply :-
http://www.askyeapbanhar.blogspot.com/
Wednesday, June 8, 2011
Durian Puffs
Here is a Primary problem which is from Primary 1 SA1 Paper 2 2011 from an unknown school.
Not sure if you have read my post or a little birdie tweeted into your ears... but if you are reading this then WELCOME to KSP.
Firstly,it is called Semestral Review 1, Mathematics, Part 2. My mistake for noting it as SA1 and Paper 2 as there Part 1 and Part 2 was taken a week a part. But call it what they will - SR1 or SA1, CA1 or mock test or whatever, we parents know that it is an exam with marks that will be 40% of the P1 finals. Yes, the dreaded SR2.
\"I am really not sure if you have got it right but this may not be a Primary 1problem\"
Unless I have been living in twilight zone, my DD is definitely in P1 in a school in Singapore! And I'm sure I got it right because besides my DD, 299 other students in Singapore got the exact same question on 12th May 2011. BTW, I also have the setter's name!
BTW, if you had read through the posts which I wrote, I did not say that a model approach will solve the problem. WE know that models does not solve all problems.
Test objective... I have a few guesses of my own but well, what is the point...
Sorry, but I find this problem at Primary 1 really very tough, leh!
:hi5: So yoou also thought so. Well, this is the kind of questions the 6 - 7 years old in some schools are subjected to.
so what do you suggest we parents do? BTW, do you have your own kids going through Primary education now? -
Sun_2010:
PS- he has no enrichments nor he do any extra stuff - just school's home work.
Hi Sun_2010,
My DD also same as your DS. No Maths enrichment whatsoever and just homework.
Of course if the questions were read to them, emphasized or rephrased it would have taken a whole new meaning but at last, this is an exam and no such privilege exist... -
Hi RRMummy ,
I definitely agree. That is why I said the below too.Sun_2010:
This is the flaw - that the question/context is lost in the language.
True. What is not right is the question is not very clearly framed.Sun_2010:
As this was done verbally, I stressed on the words in CAPs. And I made the context relevant to him. And these perhaps made the difference. -
Sun_2010:
Hi Sun_2010, yup I noted your agreements the first time round... hence in our case we wonder...testing Maths or English...Hi RRMummy ,
I definitely agree. That is why I said the below too.
I'm just wondering if setter's nowadays ever bring themselves to the correct level of developmental mindset before they put out a question...
aiyah.. I'm sounding like a broken-record...it is not like the questions are a matter of life and death.
But the underlining expectation of our kids by these so-called Educators... hmmm... I really wonder their rational... in their minds if 4 out of 30 people got it right, so it is a GOOD question... then so be it...
sorry for my ranting again.. :frustrated: -
For a P1 kid who is able to do this problem, I will say the kid has above average language ability. The math concept tested here is basic, number bonds within 10 which is well within what is taught in P1. But the way the question is phrased, takes one with a higher language development then one would expect of most P1 kids to tackle that question.
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Tried the sum out with DS who is in K2. I let him read the question on his own. After reading, the first thing he put down was 4 and 4. Told him to read the question again. Then had to explain to him that the question is asking how many ways, not how many of each puff can be put into the box. Immediately he started listing down the combinations.
Asked his teacher to try it out with the rest of the K2s, feedback is most of them made the same assumption, that the question is asking for how many of each puff in each box and came with answers like 4+4 or 3+5. After explaining to the class what the question wanted, only 1 or 2 of them fully understood. -
where to find similar this type of ‘Higher Order Thinking’ qns, that test P1 on Number Bonds concept, plus other principles taught in the P1 syllabus ?
under Li Fanglan … any more others ? -
there is free download of SA1 and SA2 Maths test papers here.
do you happen to spot any similar type of 'Higher Order Thinking qns' set by any school - for P1 and P2 Maths ? (scroll right to the bottom webpage)
http://www.orlesson.org/orp/MathExam.html -
hi RRMummy,
i had helped pose yr qn to Dr. Yeap. Below is his reply:-
'i think you can find some of these unusual questions in some books e.g. Olympiad for Juniors. I cannot recall the publishers, but you can find them at Popular bookshop, i believe.
the Number bond problem is well within P1 syllabus, but it is unusual which is a characteristic of a problem.'
parents who have got some hot, burning tricky or tough Maths qns to solve - may email, ask Dr. Yeap directly. Normally he place his answers in his blogspot, so as to benefit all parents (all nationalities) on internet.
another thing - regarding 'Bar model' visual method introduced into Maths curriculum, there was a parents workshop conducted recently at RGPS premises.
will be good if parents can download the slides quickly for your child - before this webpage on his blogspot suddenly gets refreshed one day, by something else new coming in. Once gone, you can't download anymore.
http://singaporemathz4kidz.blogspot.com/
http://banhar.blogspot.com/2011/04/bukit-panjang-primary-school-parents.html
keep Dr. Yeap powerpoint slides answers. His slides will come in useful, handy one day, benefit your child. All questions & solutions he went through at this 3 hrs long workshop ($30 per parent) covered P1-P6 Maths qns tested.
many primary schools in SG are still waiting eagerly for their turn, to invite this guru down their respective schools to teach the parents. But school does not know exactly when is their turn. School need to queue up patiently for their turn, one by one. Instead of waiting, why not download his slides first ? go through yourself quickly to refresh yourself first, before you know how to teach & guide your child, step by step ? -
phtthp:
:thankyou: for sharing with us all these useful websitesthere is free download of SA1 and SA2 Maths test papers here.
do you happen to spot any similar type of 'Higher Order Thinking qns' set by any school - for P1 and P2 Maths ? (scroll right to the bottom webpage)
http://www.orlesson.org/orp/MathExam.html
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