2009 DSA(Direct School Admission)
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naggo-nitemare:
Tks Merlion for a balanced and accurate response regarding this issue on the GEP curriculum w/c me son is in the 2nd yr of. There is no truth in saying tt the GEP kids receive extra MO training. In contrast, some of the neighbour schs train their promising pupils since P4. Where my son is studying, he had to pay for the MO training if he were to sign up for it. He relied on his natural ability n passion for math to make it to the 2nd round of NMOS.
Yup...my friend's nephew...his fathe is a factory worker with sec 2 educatin and mother is a homemaker who speaks little English. But the boy was in the gifted programme ...check this...NO external training of any sorts ..becasue where got $$$? The boy was always in his own world but gifted in writing etc... went to Nan Hua Pri...shd b in sec school now.
For his case is naturally gifted in the academic area...other children in other areas..sports music. dance etc etc -
Fair is foul and foul is fair.
I personally think all students should take part in the DSA screening tests anyway, regardless of whatever stream they are in, gep or not.
Gep does give the child more space and exposure to certain ways of learning at a younger age, but it isnt the key to greatness afterall. In the end, everyone just comes back to square one in secondary school. Seriously, their peers in sec school wouldnt really care about what PSLE score your had child attained or what stream they were in.
As for MO, i believe the method and period of training does help the child excel. But isn’t training part and parcel of giftedness? It equips you with the skill and knowledge, and i think the real talent is to link the skills with proper application in the math questions with ‘speed and accuracy’. Practice makes perfect, and even talents need training and practice to go further.
The DSA season is almost over anyway, so just relax on this topic and focus on doing well in PSLE. The rest can wait. -
Ndhelparent :[quote]so just relax ... and continue sharing with one another here.[/quote]
Agree and sure
:celebrate:
Oh yes, just a little more sharing for those who may not know :
[quote]On the other hand, there are lots of non-GEP kids with high ability and potential to excel but not given the opportunity. These are the kids who will lose out in such competition and even DSA. Is this fair competition? [/quote]My girl who is a non-GEP did not lose out either - she went through DSA and got in to her favourite school - top IP school in Singapore. Although she did not get in to GEP but she work hard and she top her school in PSLE and also break her school's PSLE record. So, I believe there is still fairness.
Actually, long ago, I already wanted to post my points about lots of misunderstanding that people had about GEP students and the 'unfair' opinion that some parents gave on GEP students ( they are quite poor thing too - lots of stress and yet lots of bad opinion about them ) but I was rather busy. Hope this time round my post will help to clearify some untrue believes.
So parents, please allow your child to try DSA if you think he/she has the potential and not just because he/she is a GEP or non-GEP student. DSA selection doesn't favour GEP students, they favour the child's results, performance,character, etc., etc..
(I do know of GEP students who did not get in through DSA too.)
REMEMBER - don't just listen to hear say and deprieve the child of the opportunity. Every child has the right! :celebrate: -
I have a GEP son who graduated last year and a current non GEP Pri 5 daughter. Most parents who have GEP and Non-GEP children would have agreed that diligent is still paramount to success whether the child is in GEP or not. GEP curriculum is broader and deeper and I suspect the MOE GEP branch feels that these selected students are able to cope with the demands of the program. However, those with attitude and discipline problems end up like some parents had already mentioned with no confirmed DSA placing.
Parents’ support and encouragement are also very important. Both my children got into the 2nd round of NMOZ by attending private training and sheer hard work. Although my son is in GEP, he did not have any additional maths competition training in school. All students were given the option to pay for maths competition as enrichment program. There are a couple of students who did not attend any training at all but still did very well. These are the ones who self-motivate and willing to put in extra effort to learn by themselves through practice and practice on books. Of course, there are students whose parents could train them like a case of a boy whose mother is a maths expert.
I hope that there is less biasness toward GEP students and non GEP students. It does not mean that a GEP student is more intelligent than a non GEP or a non GEP student will not do better that a GEP student. Intelligence and giftedness plays only a minor factor to the performance of a student. Dilligence, discipline and right attitude is still a major contribution in any child’s success. The GEP curriculum does not help a child perform better in PSLE if the child does not put in effort as the program requires a child to have a good grasp of basis knowledge in the various subjects in order to follow up with the deeper learning and requirements of the workload and projects. In my children’s primary school, I have been observing in past years those students (GEP and non GEP) who possessed such positive characteristics had done well in academic and non academic discipline. In this sense, it just means EFFORTS = RESULTS. -
NdHelpParent:
I have been following this forum and enjoying reading them. The very initial arguments started when somebody mentioned that the DSA selection was not fair. As some of the students from GEP do not need to go through GAT nor interviews and secured a confirmed place. Personally heard from RGS that most DSA places are offered to GEP students, not by GAT/interview, but because they are from GEP and with satisfactory school result! Would like to hear more views on this aspect only ..Is DSA more for GEP students only? Is it a fair selection?Cheers :celebrate: Agree with Merlion.
But i think when the word \" unfair \" was used by some here ...i don't think they mean to mean really \"unfair\"...but simply = \" puzzling\" over the DSA entry req'mt...so just relax ... and continue sharing with one another here. -
KSP65:
Hi KSP65
I have been following this forum and enjoying reading them. The very initial arguments started when somebody mentioned that the DSA selection was not fair. As some of the students from GEP do not need to go through GAT nor interviews and secured a confirmed place. Personally heard from RGS that most DSA places are offered to GEP students, not by GAT/interview, but because they are from GEP and with satisfactory school result! Would like to hear more views on this aspect only ..Is DSA more for GEP students only? Is it a fair selection?
I'm curious to know, who did you hear from at RGS that DSA places were offered to GEP students based not on GAT nor interview?
As far as I know, all successful GEP students had to go through an interview with the RGS panel and the results are not known yet. -
Hey...i agree with Turquiose...i know that NYGH also interview GEP students if necessary (refer to their DSA FAQ website)... they only skip the GAT as they are GEP already!
Anyway... i think most of us here are all kind of speculating only...let's wait for the outcome of DSA for some of us here concerned.
Those children who got gd news and hv gained entry. :celebrate: In some ways i personally believe they must have some attributes that suits the DSA school needs. And though i myself can only hope for the best for my DD's DSA to NYGH until then...i will hv absolutely no clear idea the req'mt lo. -
NdHelpParent:
And i would like to add that the DSA schools may hv different req'mt for different year...if you check webpage and compare NYGH used to have tests for the 4 subjects previously if i m correct..and this yr 2009..NYGH only GAT test and interview (if necessary) for NON GEP academic. And again its entry procedure is different from RGS perhaps(cos i didnt check as did not apply RGS) and others mayb.Hey...i agree with Turquiose...i know that NYGH also interview GEP students if necessary (refer to their DSA FAQ website)... they only skip the GAT as they are GEP already!
Anyway... i think most of us here are all kind of speculating only...let's wait for the outcome of DSA for some of us here concerned.
Those children who got gd news and hv gained entry. :celebrate: In some ways i personally believe they must have some attributes that suits the DSA school needs. And though i myself can only hope for the best for my DD's DSA to NYGH until then...i will hv absolutely no clear idea the req'mt lo. -
ksp65[quote]Is DSA more for GEP students only? Is it a fair selection?[/quote]
Again another hear say and another 'unfairness' mentioned.
KSP65:[quote]I have been following this forum and enjoying reading them.[/quote]I really doubt that you have been following this forum ??? :?
If you did, you will not have believe in hear say and starting another doubts on GEP students again.
Yes, even my boy need to go through interveiw at RI and also sat for a writing test cum interview at HCI and to date there is still no news.
Even if they are excused (so far I only heard about NYG), they must score above 80% in their SA1 at P6 which means they must be already the top 1%
Ok, this excused for test did not apply for boys applying for HCI and RI, even if they score 90%. (All this was mentioned in the earlier post)
Turquoise is definiitely right. KSP65 please re-read the complete forum and read them caredully if you are really keen about this topic. Thank you. -
NdHelpParent:
And i would like to add that the DSA schools may hv different req'mt for different year...if you check webpage and compare NYGH used to have tests for the 4 subjects previously if i m correct..and this yr 2009..NYGH only GAT test and interview (if necessary) for NON GEP academic. And again its entry procedure is different from RGS perhaps(cos i didnt check as did not apply RGS) and others mayb.
Yes, NYGH DSA's procedure last year included written tests in several subjects including a Chinese essay, as well as interviews. GEP students had to take the tests too.
btw, has anyone in mainstream who didn't go for NYGH interview get a confirmed offer already?
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