Opinions of the Primary School Registration System
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GSK:
Distance should play a part in the allocation of places to the children. A close promixty to school is beneficial to both parents and children in the logistics aspects. To eliminate abuse, the Ministry should state that the address used should be that of one's owned property, vs a rental property or that of a relative's or a friend's. The Ministry should conduct checks at random to ensure strict observation of this rule. A serious penalty or consequence, such as expelling the student from the school, should be given to anyone caught flouting this rule to act as a deterrent.After going thru this year registration, I would tink only phase 1 should remain, the rest of the phases are bullshitting and should be abolish. All balloting after phase 2, without going by distance.
Choose what parents preference is the best. Balloting is the fairer. -
Btw, I am seriously considering if I should to just home school my son or bring him to other better country.
If MOE is not listening to us now, Singapore is no more home to us and let it be one successful global nation. -
limlim:
Wow wow.....
really don't mean to pick on your words but I meant, the neighborhood schools populated with foreign students and trounce the premiere schools sounds good.. = foreigners trashing Singaporean is good... :scratchhead:Kissgurami:
[quote=\"limlim\"]
No.. I meant, the neighborhood schools populated with foreign students and trounce the premiere schools sounds good..
Then all the schools will have similar ranking.. isn't it a good thing? parent no need to be so stressed which \"branded\" school to choose, just go for the nearest school.
So for schools to have similar ranking, we should separate Singaporean students to bring down the standard of the school and foreigners/PRs to bring up the standard of neighbour schools...? do correct me if I have misread what you are implying...
parent no need to be so stressed which \"branded\" school to choose, just go for the nearest school
My point is, it is NOT the objective.. but due to citizen priority in P1 registration resulted in this kind of \"side-effect\", it is not a bad thing.
The citizens get what they want, priority admission vs PRs..
Neighborhood schools performance up..
Overall more balanced school standards all over the island (that is, assuming the PRs really are talents).
Why is it not a good thing?
What do citizens want?? Talented PRs fighting a place in their coveted school, possibly denying a place for another talent citizens in that school, or talented PR going into neighbor school and rising the school's standard?
Foreigner Talents, instead of fighting with citizens for places in coveted schools, contribute by rising standards in neighbor schools.. win-win..[/quote]Parents, why is there an inherent assumption that the children of PRs will perform better than our own children? -
ASAP:
so simple, just one teacher ?Hi all,Since there might be a misallocation of these vacancies to schools which are not popular. Minister of MOE please do something.
ie , Nanyang Pri Sch short fall of 23 vacancies ( 53 children within 1km ballot for 30 places).My dear Minister, please allocate 1 teacher from this not popular school to Nanyang Pri School to create one extra class of 23 student.
This list go on and on for all the Primary Schools that need to ballot within 1km.
Cannot imagine thousand of students unable to study a school near to their home (1km).
Unnecessary time and money wasted, unnecessary physical stress for parent to bring their child to school. (Bus fare, Traffic jam, leaving home very early, reach home very late...etc etc .... :slapshead:
Minister of MOE, Can you hear us......... :slapshead:
More than 60 Primary Schools need to ballot for schools within 1km.
This is no jokes....
http://www.moe.gov.sg/education/admissions/primary-one-registration/balloting/
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one teacher teaches all the subjects and enrichment courses ? where to find the class room ? if only things could be so simple
why don't they just photo copy everything in NYPS and get all the schools to follow exactly the same thing ? surely this is even simpler and easier -
Khordan:
The children of B, by their birth rights, are Singaporeans. There is no argument on this in the same manner that children follow the surnames of their fathers.Just curious...
These are two real-life scenarios.
1) A is a Malaysian citizen with Singapore PR. He has studied in Singapore since primary school (he was an ASEAN scholar) all the way to NUS. Since graduation, he has worked in Singapore and has since married a Singapore citizen. His kids were born before the law was changed so his children are Malaysian citizens and Singapore PRs. He does not wish to change his citizenship as he is proud to be a Malaysian but calls Singapore home as this is where his family is.
2) B is a Singapore citizen. After NS, he went to US for his University degree and has worked in the US since. He married an American citizen but never renounced his Singapore citizenship (not because of any loyalty to Singapore, just that there as no reason to convert). His children are thus entitled to Singapore citizenship. He is considering sending his kids to Singapore to study because he thinks the US system is crap. He has family here who can help to take care of them.
So, are we saying that B is more worthy of a place in a Singapore school compared to A, even if B has contributed NOTHING to Singapore (even through taxes) while A has been contributing to Singapore for his entire adult life?
As for A, I believe the children can convert to become full citizens anytime without having to fulfil additional obligations, right? If I'm not mistaken, children of PRs who are males have to complete, whether they remain as PRs or otherwise, their NS obligations given they are the second-generation PRs. -
MumandMe:
Beats me, I am getting that impression as well
Parents, why is there an inherent assumption that the children of PRs will perform better than our own children? -
maybe should try videoconferencing. then all students in singapore get same notes, same homework, same tests and same teacher.
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I think they should revise the Pri School Registration system. Keep it simple.
1. Phase 1: Siblings.
2. Phase 2: Alumni and old boys/girls.
3. Abolish Phase 2B–parents are already so stressed out in Singapore fighting for jobs (fighting with PRs and FTs!), why have this parent volunteer/slave scheme? Parents should volunteer when their children are in the school. Not before. The whole idea of parent volunteer work in most other countries is for the parent to be involved with the children WHEN they are in the school.
To do "volunteer work" to get the children into school negates the altruistic intent behind the word volunteer. Do the schools really need traffic wardens, canteen wardens? If the schools aren’t funded enough for such admin work or tasks, perhaps the ministry should stop tearing down perfectly good/new schools and building new ones and channel more resources to staffing. Phase 2B also appears to favour the incumbent party–grassroots and community leaders. For mission schools, they can keep 2B for the church affiliation.
My query is also whether for PV in 2B, do foreigners (not PRs or citizens)–can they qualify via that route? If so, is that a way they can get in before Phase 3? We heard of one of our friends, a PR, who did PV at TWO schools.
4. They should keep Phase 2C for Singapore citizens and create Phase 2D for PRs. This is not meant to deny PRs a spot in our schools. There can be some percentage allocation of spaces like what they do for 2B and 2C. So that we do not fight in the same pool. The MOE should also work closely with MoM and Immigration to forecast the number of PRs and their children vs citizen births. The way the MOE does the balloting via distance is extremely fair and transparent; but onemap.sg is not widely publicised and it is only when we get the booklet the month before the registration exercise starts before people know it. I’ve heard of parents trying to be within 1km, buying or renting a place and basing it on streetdirectory or propertyguru, but not realising that they should have to check with onemap.sg.
5. My last observation was that there are so many PRs who know how to work the system much better than Singaporeans. When I was queuing up for the P1 registration, I noticed that of the 10 parents ahead of me on Day 1, about 7 had blue ICs and these were within 1km of the school. I was a minority with my pink IC. If I hadn’t moved to within 1 km, these PRs would be guaranteed a space in the school, and I would have had to go for balloting as my original address was 1-2km. This happens because there are just too many PRs fighting with the citizens. PRs have a choice and they made a choice to stay in Singapore vs their home country. We are citizens, we have no choice, and this is the only place our kids can go to school unless we migrate or work overseas. Perhaps depending on the population make up (and if ICA studies it and actually talks to MOM and MOE about it), they can determine an equitable allocation of available slots. For example, 60% of remaining seats to Singapore citizens and 40% to PRs. Then whatever is left is for Phase 3.
Right now, all I feel that my citizenship is worth is 1 extra ballot slip if there is balloting (a big deal!!!), and NS for my son.
I thought my kids were born in 2005, a year with quite a low number of births. So I am very surprised to see such intense competition, even for the neighbourhood schools, which only means one thing … -
Ainin:
My query is also whether for PV in 2B, do foreigners (not PRs or citizens)--can they qualify via that route?
No. Foreigners do not qualify for Phase2B. This Phase is only for Singaporeans and PR.Ainin:
Some Singaporeans do that too.We heard of one of our friends, a PR, who did PV at TWO schools.
Ainin:
???My last observation was that there are so many PRs who know how to work the system much better than Singaporeans.
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Ainin:
:goodpost:I think they should revise the Pri School Registration system. Keep it simple.
1. Phase 1: Siblings.
2. Phase 2: Alumni and old boys/girls.
3. Abolish Phase 2B--parents are already so stressed out in Singapore fighting for jobs (fighting with PRs and FTs!), why have this parent volunteer/slave scheme? Parents should volunteer when their children are in the school. Not before. The whole idea of parent volunteer work in most other countries is for the parent to be involved with the children WHEN they are in the school.
Phase 2B should be abolished completely...forget about religions/clan/PV.
TRUE PVs should be like my daughter's school - where parents truly volunteer their time because they want to be involved in their daughters' school. There are happy mothers in the school reading, teaching & conducting fun fairs.
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