Review Underway of the Educational System

[Chenonceau]

caroline3sg:

Chenonceau:

If MOE teaches better and more. Fewer parents will send for tuition. Tuition won't pay so well then.

Transport Minister Lui said state run MRT do not flare as well as private, in response to WP Gerald Giam's call.

Same thing, MOE teachers will never be up on par with tuition centres' teachers. The former are fresh grads & young (many do not have children of their own to know better than parents in terms of children's learning needs) while the latter are experienced academically and know how to motivate students)

Hmmmm... so you mean there is no hope? MOE will always be inferior?

I think they just need to find ways to bring experienced teachers back to the fold. It's a question of economics really. With every one unit of improvement MOE is able to effectuate, the demand for tuition will go down by x units for parents who are price-sensitive.

Bring down that demand enough... with adequate school resources, materials and teaching... price of tuition will drop. Tutoring will be less lucrative. Unless of course we are saying that there is no way for MOE to improve even a bit. Which is kinda unlikely IMHO.

They will improve.

There'll always be parents who will pay for tuition no matter what. But there are plenty others who have better things to do with their money.

[caroline3sg]

SAHM_TAN:

they can offer their services to the schools :evil:

Several years ago, I know Lorna Whiston offers their Eng programme to Nanyang Pri. Maybe it is still valid now.

Nanyang also gives out a list of enrichment centres' programmes held in school for parents to enrol. Response very good, class size about 20. A forumer told me so.

[Otah]

caroline3sg:

Chenonceau:

[quote=\"SAHM_TAN\"]they can offer their services to the schools :evil:

A lot of experienced teachers may go back to MOE.

Quite many experienced teachers already set up tuition centres outside. They earn much more than going back to schools / MOE. [/quote]If there is no demand there will be no supply.

[Nebbermind]

caroline3sg:

Nanyang also gives out a list of enrichment centres' programmes held in school for parents to enrol. Response very good, class size about 20. A forumer told me so.

But how many can afford rolls royce??!!
:evil:

u can only sell sharkfin and abalone for lunch in selected schools!!

[caroline3sg]

Chenonceau:

caroline3sg:

[quote=\"Chenonceau\"]
If MOE teaches better and more. Fewer parents will send for tuition. Tuition won't pay so well then.

Transport Minister Lui said state run MRT do not flare as well as private, in response to WP Gerald Giam's call.

Same thing, MOE teachers will never be up on par with tuition centres' teachers. The former are fresh grads & young (many do not have children of their own to know better than parents in terms of children's learning needs) while the latter are experienced academically and know how to motivate students)

Hmmmm... so you mean there is no hope? MOE will always be inferior?

I think they just need to find ways to bring experienced teachers back to the fold.[/quote]To ans your question, yes. MOE is catering to masses. What is their objective? Ensure all have education (primary education is compulsory) and FREE (I am referring to citizens). And what is branded tuition centres' objective? (A/A* results). The disparity is too just great.

Let's not talk about experienced teachers who left due to retirement. Many good teachers left due to different philosophy as we have read that schools / principals chase after awards and teachers have many admin duties.

FYI, when my girl was in P6, she had a good Science teacher who just joined. She complied and gave each of 40 students a manual full of mind mapping of all topics. After seeing them through PSLE, she joined Learning Lab.

[Chenonceau]

caroline3sg:

To ans your question, yes. MOE is catering to masses. What is their objective? Ensure all have education (primary education is compulsory) and FREE (I am referring to citizens). And what is branded tuition centres' objective? (A/A* results). The disparity is too just great.

Let's not talk about experienced teachers who left due to retirement. Many good teachers left due to different philosophy as we have read that schools / principals chase after awards and teachers have many admin duties.

FYI, when my girl was in P6, she had a good Science teacher who just joined. She complied and gave each of 40 students a manual full of mind mapping of all topics. After seeing through them PSLE, she joined Learning Lab.

Actually... many parents who send for tuition now, aren't looking for A. We wanted a Pass. That was my son's case for Chinese.

I agree with you that many Teachers have left for the reasons you stated, but I tend to be somewhat more optimistic than you. MOE refused to admit to a problem before. Now it has... and there is a beginning of a solution.

Also, like I said before, it is a question of degree. There will always be space for tuition, but with every unit of improvement demand for tuition goes down. As demand goes down, prices go down. As prices go down, salaries get squeezed. It really is about economics.

That MOE cannot at all improve, not even one unit, is not a truth written in stone. But well... that's just my opinion.

[caroline3sg]

Chenonceau:

I think they just need to find ways to bring experienced teachers back to the fold. It's a question of economics really. With every one unit of improvement MOE is able to effectuate, the demand for tuition will go down by x units for parents who are price-sensitive.

Bring down that demand enough... with adequate school resources, materials and teaching... price of tuition will drop. Tutoring will be less lucrative. Unless of course we are saying that there is no way for MOE to improve even a bit. Which is kinda unlikely IMHO.

They will improve.

There'll always be parents who will pay for tuition no matter what. But there are plenty others who have better things to do with their money.

When will MOE schools reach the standard of tuition centres like TienHsia, Learning Lab, Perceptum (Mrs Sim & Kelvin from Catholic High), Newton Apple (Mr Cedric Chai, Gene Gan, Ms Lim who were PSLE preparation officers, authors of assessment books and chief invigilator / supervisor for marking)? For those of us who have sent our children there, we know MOE may never attain such standard.

I am not referring to those tuition by CC/RC or some unknown centres. Yes, perhaps these will slowly fade off if MOE improve.

[MdmKS]

caroline3sg:

To ans your question, yes. MOE is catering to masses. What is their objective? Ensure all have education (primary education is compulsory) and FREE (I am referring to citizens). And what is branded tuition centres' objective? (A/A* results). The disparity is too just great.

The branded tuition centers don't warrant you an A or A*.

[Nebbermind]

I believe some of these better teachers who dislike the admin work ended up joining govt-aided or independent schools where work scope could be better defined. Perhaps that's the reason why these schools always managed to do better than others :evil:

[Chenonceau]

caroline3sg:

When will MOE schools reach the standard of tuition centres like TienHsia, Learning Lab, Perceptum (Mrs Sim & Kelvin from Catholic High), Newton Apple (Mr Cedric Chai, Gene Gan, Ms Lim who were PSLE preparation officers, authors of assessment books and chief invigilator / supervisor for marking)? For those of us who have sent our children there, we know MOE may never attain such standard.

I am not referring to those tuition by CC/RC or some unknown centres. Yes, perhaps these will slowly fade off if MOE improve.

Yup!! Agree!! Let's get rid of these first!!