All About T-Score

[verykiasu2010]

vlim:

aiyo vk2010...u forgotten about the debate about lower the weightage of MT... later those no good in maths or science but v good in MT will come after you :siam: ...

ya ya ya, soli sori ...... :siam: :siam:

[coolit]

Haha, but verykiasu2010 brought out an important point, since the MT papers differ in difficulty, isnt it rather unfair? Sigh…guess no choice but it is still something that leaves me thinking and thinking…

[jtoh]

That’s why the top scorer is usually Malay, Indian or originally from China. You don’t see many local Chinese toP scorers.

[verykiasu2010]

jtoh:

That's why the top scorer is usually Malay, Indian or originally from China. You don't see many local Chinese toP scorers.

have lah! 2010 psle top 2 from lao sai are locals

[jtoh]

verykiasu2010:

jtoh:

That's why the top scorer is usually Malay, Indian or originally from China. You don't see many local Chinese toP scorers.

have lah! 2010 psle top 2 from lao sai are locals

I didn't say don't have. I said not many. Especially when you consider that majority of the population is Chinese. So the percentage of representation is disproportionately low.

[vlim]

verykiasu2010:

jtoh:

That's why the top scorer is usually Malay, Indian or originally from China. You don't see many local Chinese toP scorers.

have lah! 2010 psle top 2 from lao sai are locals

hello hello..no meh ner... :heresmyfish:

[verykiasu2010]

vlim:

verykiasu2010:

[quote=\"jtoh\"]That's why the top scorer is usually Malay, Indian or originally from China. You don't see many local Chinese toP scorers.

have lah! 2010 psle top 2 from lao sai are locals

hello hello..no meh ner... :heresmyfish: [/quote] :? :?

[Alchemist]

jtoh:

That's why the top scorer is usually Malay, Indian or originally from China. You don't see many local Chinese toP scorers.

If you are suggesting the top scorers are Indian or Malay because of easy Mother Tongue papers - then you may be mistaken. The post clearly states in the years of tough Tamil or Malay papers and easy Chinese papers the toppers may be Indian or Malay - the good Tamil and Malay students get a greater advantage in their T-score due to the lower SD for these papers - as they are minorities - not because papers are easy.

By that token it is the non chinese parents of average students who should be crying unfair - because the Chinese paper was easy and the other papers weren't.

I think the suggestion (and I do think there is one) that non-Chinese papers are easier (hence 'different' level of difficulty) is a little distateful. My first distasteful experience of this forum - but to be expected I guess.

Tamil is a language spoken from 300 BC - it is rich in its tradition and very complex in its development. Tamil grammar is extremely difficult to master - I understand in Mandarin it is the strokes and the memorisation of the words - as it is hieroglyphic - however, from what I understand tense, pronouns etc are to be understood using the context also there are no verb conjugations, noun cases, gender based pronouns. In tamil it is the grammar that is deadly as it has numerous noun cases, verb conjugationsa are difficult, they also need to be related to tenses. Also it is a diaglossic language - formal tamil is vastly different from spoken tamil. Tamil one of the few diaglossic languages still surviving in usage today.

I have learnt 4 languages in my life - although Tamil is my mother tongue, I only speak it, do not read or write - and I struggled coaching my son in Tamil. I have learnt German for 3 years and was a top student at my year in NUS for the language - so it is not due to lack of ability to learn languages that I found Tamil difficult.

Let us not fall into the trap of disparaging others' languages by insinuating that their language or therefore their papers are easier - for whatever reason - all for a thing like PSLE. What is the use of top PSLE marks if we cannot be decent human beings and respect others? The top Malay and Indian students who do well do so out of merit. The Chinese students who do well also do so out of merit. And maybe the top student maynot be Singaporean Chinese - but I am sure the majority of students in the top are SG Chinese - as they would rightly be given their majority in the population.

For me personally - I feel all languages have their own beauty and their challenges. I am looking forward to learning Mandarin soon - to add another dimension to my knowledge of languages.

[ppnqq]

Would like to check something. I have noticed that usually there are still some ‘gap’ between the points given for Express and NA for most schools. E.g. for express it’s 238-257 and NA is 185-199. How about those who had gotten the points in between these two? Does it mean for those who had gotten between 200-237 will have a choice between either Express or NA?


Would appreciate if any of you can enlighten me on this. Thank you.

[jtoh]

vidhyalog:

jtoh:

That's why the top scorer is usually Malay, Indian or originally from China. You don't see many local Chinese toP scorers.

If you are suggesting the top scorers are Indian or Malay because of easy Mother Tongue papers - then you may be mistaken. The post clearly states in the years of tough Tamil or Malay papers and easy Chinese papers the toppers may be Indian or Malay - the good Tamil and Malay students get a greater advantage in their T-score due to the lower SD for these papers - as they are minorities - not because papers are easy.

By that token it is the non chinese parents of average students who should be crying unfair - because the Chinese paper was easy and the other papers weren't.

I think the suggestion (and I do think there is one) that non-Chinese papers are easier (hence 'different' level of difficulty) is a little distateful. My first distasteful experience of this forum - but to be expected I guess.

Tamil is a language spoken from 300 BC - it is rich in its tradition and very complex in its development. Tamil grammar is extremely difficult to master - I understand in Mandarin it is the strokes and the memorisation of the words - as it is hieroglyphic - however, from what I understand tense, pronouns etc are to be understood using the context (I understand there is only one word \"tha\" signifying both she and he - used in context). In tamil it is the grammar that is deadly - also it is a diaglossic language - formal tamil is vastly different from spoken tamil. Tamil one of the few diaglossic languages still surviving in usage today.

I have learnt 4 languages in my life - although Tamil is my mother tongue, I only speak it, do not read or write - and I struggled coaching my son in Tamil. I have learnt German for 3 years and was a top student at my year in NUS for the language - so it is not due to lack of ability to learn languages that I found Tamil difficult.

Let us not fall into the trap of disparaging others' languages by insinuating that their language or therefore their papers are easier - for whatever reason - all for a thing like PSLE. What is the use of top PSLE marks if we cannot be decent human beings and respect others? The top Malay and Indian students who do well do so out of merit. The Chinese students who do well also do so out of merit. And maybe the top student maynot be Singaporean Chinese - but I am sure the majority of students in the top are SG Chinese - as they would rightly be given their majority in the population.

For me personally - I feel all languages have their own beauty and their challenges. I am looking forward to learning Mandarin soon - to add another dimension to my knowledge of languages.

Hi vidhyalog,

I believe you're mistaken and reading too much into my one short sentence. At no point did I say nor insinuate that the Malay and Indian papers were easier. Indeed it was pointed out by earlier posters that the Malay and Indians did better in the years where the papers were tougher, due to the smaller SD. That is a point I believe too. At no point did I disparage the Malay or Tamil languages. I fail to see how you could read so much into one short sentence.

I believe that the students taking Malay and Tamil and who do well in PSLE are very strong in their respective languages. As are the China-born Chinese who are very strong in Chinese, much more so than most of our local Chinese and that is why they are able to score much better than the majority. And that is why my one short sentence also mentioned that China-born Chinese are able to do well too.

I don't recall anyone on this thread saying that Malays and Indians do better because of easier papers, so I don't know how you could have drawn this conclusion.

I am personally offended that you think that I insinuated things that I did not, that you find certain things distasteful when no one has actually said these things. Worse of all, I find it offensive that you have attributed these comments to me from my one short sentence.