Ministerial Salary Review

[limlim]

HVR:

Are we ignoring the facts that many people approached have turned down the offer to become minister?

If they did find, they would have scored a goal. It depends on the charisma and charm of the current leaderships to attract the right talents to the cause, isn't it? That's what makes a hero..

Cannot find the right pple, so use Money to entice?

Just to borrow a quote

3Boys:

Any half-wit with access to a cheque book can do that.

What's extra-ordinary about the current leadership then? ok, maybe's there's nothing extra-ordinary then..

But perhaps LTK did managed to score a goal.. with CSM..

Oh.. btw.. just a mention.. somehow.. a few talented or well-liked MPs left the white camp in the past.... isn't it? and probably it is not related to low pay.... but due to disagreements? but these are just speculations.. so can disregard them..

[limlim]

Joule:

Can I kaypoh pls.

But you left out the verdict leh..

you're ordering $1.50 carrot cake or $10 carrot cake?

[Joule]

Ohhh yarh hor…


my opinion

$10 carrot cake may not be that good. overrated due to lack of competition from other hawker store.

$1.50 carrot cake needs to improve skill a bit, or else less ppl will not eat from them

therefore

there need to be 2 carrot cake store in the same hawker centre

the $10 dollar carrot cake need to decrease price as there is competition. They need to be cheaper, better, faster, yummier and dun need free wifi

likewise, the $1.50 carrot cake need to get more quality chef and ingredients over time, if they cannot improve quality, ppl also dowan to eat from them

[Strparent]

limlim:

First of all, I don't believe in welfare state, and I don't feel that govt should freely give handouts either.. just to set the record straight.

However, I do not agree with some of the policies..

What is TH doing?

How they choose the TH CEO?

How they choose the SMRT CEO?
etc etc... and the list goes on..

Where is TRANSPARENCY & ACCOUNTABILITY?

Your line of argument is that if they are not highly paid, they are not talents, which is Not true.
My line of argument is that even if you pay top dollar you may not get top talents.

I can only say....... TOUCHE 3Boys :imcool:

what's yr view on TH ? :imanangel: :imanangel:

[Strparent]

well, I did warn earlier, these rebuttals will lead to a never ending loop................ :sad: :sad:

3Boys:

read Pritam, CSM, Yaw lor....sensible comments mixed in with stuff calculated to score political points only. e.g. \"Money saved can be distributed....\" yada yada yada....
The much admired WP not so pure as snow or heroic as imagined hor...?

errr agreed but........ the last time I checked... they ARE politicians wor :scratchhead: U expect them do what ?

guessing nia hor - the point is after so many years of submissive silence, some people has decided that they are 'the LESSER of two evils'. :evil:
unlike similar to yr type of stand is more towards ' BETTER the devil we know, than the devil we don't' :evil: :evil:

:torchme: :torchme:

[concern2]

3Boys:

concern2:

[quote=\"3Boys\"]If there is one thing I take away from this series of exchanges, is that WP is scary good.....at politicking. Much better than the PAP.

Really, really? I didn't noticed...what did I miss ah? Share leh, 3Boys...

Just read Pritam, CSM, Yaw lor....sensible comments mixed in with stuff calculated to score political points only. e.g. \"Money saved can be distributed....\" yada yada yada....

Old as the hills......

The much admired WP not so pure as snow or heroic as imagined hor...?[/quote]Thanks, 3boys! Will go catch up on their videos!

I've just read a blog (http://feedmetothefish.blogspot.com/2012/01/mother-of-all-sacrifices.html) and he mentioned an interesting point which hadn't occurred to me.

In my own words, the old birds from PAP have spoken, right up to LKY, but only new birds from WP has spoken on the issue of ministerial pay. In other words, 小兵出招，怎么都是老将在接招？

[Joule]

[quote]
Just read Pritam, CSM, Yaw lor....sensible comments mixed in with stuff calculated to score political points only. e.g. \"Money saved can be distributed....\" yada yada yada....

Old as the hills......

The much admired WP not so pure as snow or heroic as imagined hor...?[/quote]Thanks, 3boys! Will go catch up on their videos!

I've just read a blog (http://feedmetothefish.blogspot.com/2012/01/mother-of-all-sacrifices.html) and he mentioned an interesting point which hadn't occurred to me.

In my own words, the old birds from PAP have spoken, right up to LKY, but only new birds from WP has spoken on the issue of ministerial pay. In other words, 小兵出招，怎么都是老将在接招？
[/quote]

the more these guys talk, the more news generated

the more news generated /either good or bad

the more well known these guys will be

and so it will increase their chances of being elected next time round (hopefully)


anyway minister salary debate is WASTE OF TIME

LHL already put the whip in place

he vote 1 thing, the rest of the whiteys MUST follow

no matter what, 6 blue ppl cannot outvote 80 ppl

LTK already fight parliament battle for 20+ years, might as well let the young ones gain experience points and increase their level

by the way, WP not that noble one la, I think they are just very practical

but between them and the whites, I would rather choose them

[3Boys]

limlim:

First of all, I don't believe in welfare state, and I don't feel that govt should freely give handouts either.. just to set the record straight.

However, I do not agree with some of the policies..

GST 7%?

Look at the well being of majority of citizens.. were they better than they were 10 years ago? even in mist of increasing GDP.. which was used as a basis to pay obscene bonuses.. is it FAIR to the pple?

Look at the facts.. not theories or beliefs..

And what is wrong with the GST at 7%? Give me some examples of mature economies that do not have some form of consumption tax or VAT? Name a few that have VAT LOWER than Singapore. If they do not use this, there from where else should they raise revenue to FUND the types of programmes that opposition and supporters thereof seem to clamour for all the time?


Define 'majority' of citizens. 51%? I challenge the notion that the 'majority' of citizens have not had their standard of living improved over the last 10 years. I agree the progress has been uneven, but real incomes have risen for the 'majority'.

Next think beyond our borders. Which developed nation in the world is not suffering for the competition from the rise of the Asian giants, Eastern Europe and Latam? Are things getting tough for us? Of course! If a Tsunami hits the coast of Japan, is it the fault of the government that sea wall built for a magnitude 8 earthquake could not take a magnitude 9 one? There is an economic tsunami enveloping the developed world right now, they (we) are all struggling to deal with it. But we have strong reserves, we have control of our currency, we can continue to educate our young. All great things to have in this environment. You want to chuck the present team overboard and have an untested group help navigate the waters for you? Yeah, they can do so for a short while, burn through the reserves, then what?

Perhaps it will pander to your sense of injustice, but talk about cutting ones nose to spite ones face.

I am a Singaporean too, I've lived here almost all my life. I think the PAP is best thing since sliced bread, that the only reason we are where are, instead of a sleepy fishing village. You think our workforce is so great? Mediocre as hell....

Yes, they have gotten complacent, yes, they have made quite a lot of mistakes recently, yes, their politics stink, yes, they deserved to get their behinds kicked at the last GE. But they do not deserve to be treated unfairly....

[3Boys]

limlim:

CPF minimum sum increase?

Lower corporate tax?

What is TH doing?

How they choose the TH CEO?

How they choose the SMRT CEO? What is transport minister doing?

etc etc... and the list goes on..

Your line of argument is that if they are not highly paid, they are not talents, which is Not true. CSM is one example. How about the past extra-ordinary ministers.. like GKS, OTC etc.. were they paid obscene salaries? But they delivered, didn't they?

Errr....until quite recently, CSM was indeed, VERY highly paid!

And how many of you actually think the CPF minimum sum is going to get you through retirement? Ad if they don't take action now, when the silver tsunami hits, and inflation erodes savings then how? More old ladies collecting cardboard boxes in the streets, more opposition tear-jerker videos claiming non-compassionate g'ment, taxes raised for the younger generation, low economic growth as a result.....

Sound familiar?

I wish WP comes to power soon, see how they can perform magic to solve these exact same problems.....then MY turn to throw brickbats.

[3Boys]

Strparent:

well, I did warn earlier, these rebuttals will lead to a never ending loop................ :sad: :sad:

3Boys:

read Pritam, CSM, Yaw lor....sensible comments mixed in with stuff calculated to score political points only. e.g. \"Money saved can be distributed....\" yada yada yada....
The much admired WP not so pure as snow or heroic as imagined hor...?

errr agreed but........ the last time I checked... they ARE politicians wor :scratchhead: U expect them do what ?

guessing nia hor - the point is after so many years of submissive silence, some people has decided that they are 'the LESSER of two evils'. :evil:
unlike similar to yr type of stand is more towards ' BETTER the devil we know, than the devil we don't' :evil: :evil:

:torchme: :torchme:

Indeed.....

but be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.

And Prince Charming might just turn into a frog.