Ministerial Salary Review
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Strparent:
I can only say....... TOUCHE 3Boys :imcool:limlim:
First of all, I don't believe in welfare state, and I don't feel that govt should freely give handouts either.. just to set the record straight.
However, I do not agree with some of the policies..
What is TH doing?
How they choose the TH CEO?
How they choose the SMRT CEO?
etc etc... and the list goes on..
Where is TRANSPARENCY & ACCOUNTABILITY?
Your line of argument is that if they are not highly paid, they are not talents, which is Not true.
My line of argument is that even if you pay top dollar you may not get top talents.
what's yr view on TH ? :imanangel: :imanangel:
What about TH?
Did badly recently? Sure
How about the long term record? I don't have the figures about how they benchmark against other sovereign funds and am happy to be educated on their non-performance.
SMRT is listed company, whilst Temasek was possibly represented on the board (do they hold a seat?), the decision is a private one not dictated by the g'ment.
Really befuddles me how anyone can attribute SPH's appointment to the the g'ment and blame them for any fall out.
So limlim, you have someone you'd like to nominate to SMRT board as their next CEO, since you have a strong opinion about the previous one? -
3Boys, we have not reached the point to worry so much yet about opposition taking over the house. Having some opposition brings many dimensions to an issue. For example, in the forum, we discuss until we can see things for each other’s views. It is certainly not a bad thing, both Chenon and I can attest to that. Positive diversity brings about progress. As citizens, I believe we are all watchful not to tip the balance in the scale for the macro picture, we still have faith in the leadership but we need a voice to bounce ideas so that things are not so top-down approach. I believe even for your sons, you will give them a chance to ask why and offer their different views before you come to some middle ground with them, no? If opposition is not constructive, I am sure it will be obvious to many as seen in past cases of undesirable oppositions. Singapore has reached some level of maturity to be able to manage this by its people. Of course I am with you when we read some of the very extreme views on the net that sometimes raise our brows the way the leadership is being brutally bashed. Balance is what we need.
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ksi:
3Boys, we have not reached the point to worry so much yet about opposition taking over the house. Having some opposition brings many dimensions to an issue. For example, in the forum, we discuss until we can see things for each other's views. It is certainly not a bad thing, both Chenon and I can attest to that. Positive diversity brings about progress. As citizens, I believe we are all watchful not to tip the balance in the scale for the macro picture, we still have faith in the leadership but we need a voice to bounce ideas so that things are not so top-down approach. I believe even for your sons, you will give them a chance to ask why and offer their different views before you come to some middle ground with them, no? If opposition is not constructive, I am sure it will be obvious to many as seen in past cases of undesirable oppositions. Singapore has reached some level of maturity to be able to manage this by its people. Of course I am with you when we read some of the very extreme views on the net that sometimes raise our brows the way the leadership is being brutally bashed. Balance is what we need.
Thank you.
Remember, I voted opposition at the last election, I understand.
The discussion does need to be predicated on a shared platform of agreed facts, or view at least. I think what goes on right now is a matter of establishing what those are. For instance, if someone criticises the g'ment for raising the GST to 7%, first we have to agree on whether 7% GST is in fact a good or bad thing, before we can discuss if the g'ment had done a good or bad job.
Chill pill time, gonna make myself a martini...... -
ksi:
It is certainly not a bad thing, both Chenon and I can attest to that. Positive diversity brings about progress.
Awwwwwwwwwwww.... I just got praised by my mod!! :please: :please: :rahrah: :rahrah: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
Boy... I am SUCH a sucker for praise. But well... :imcool: :imcool:
Sorry... :offtopic: Now I'll go and gloat in private. -
3Boys:
Youuuuuuuu! Voted OPPOSITION!! *Gasp* *Hyperventilate* and then :faint:
Thank you.
Remember, I voted opposition at the last election, I understand.
Real anot?
Seriously though, I admire your insistence on evidence-based conclusions. :udaman: -
Chenonceau:
3Boys, like Chenon, I am surprised....
Youuuuuuuu! Voted OPPOSITION!! *Gasp* *Hyperventilate* and then :faint:3Boys:
Thank you.
Remember, I voted opposition at the last election, I understand.
Real anot?
Seriously though, I admire your insistence on evidence-based conclusions. :udaman:
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Chenonceau:
Heh...where praise is deserved...never stingy..ksi:
It is certainly not a bad thing, both Chenon and I can attest to that. Positive diversity brings about progress.
Awwwwwwwwwwww.... I just got praised by my mod!! :please: :please: :rahrah: :rahrah: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
Boy... I am SUCH a sucker for praise. But well... :imcool: :imcool:
Sorry... :offtopic: Now I'll go and gloat in private. :celebrate:
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insider:
I agree this one is a long discussion.3Boys:
[For instance, if someone criticises the g'ment for raising the GST to 7%, first we have to agree on whether 7% GST is in fact a good or bad thing, before we can discuss if the g'ment had done a good or bad job.
Wah, this 7% GST discussion deserves a thread on its own...
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ksi:
3Boys, like Chenon, I am surprised....
Youuuuuuuu! Voted OPPOSITION!! *Gasp* *Hyperventilate* and then :faint:Chenonceau:
[quote=\"3Boys\"]
Thank you.
Remember, I voted opposition at the last election, I understand.
Real anot?
Seriously though, I admire your insistence on evidence-based conclusions. :udaman:[/quote]Can't stand their politics....
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ksi:
It is certainly not a bad thing, both Chenon and I can attest to that.
For example, in the forum, we discuss until we can see things for each other's views.
Me too. I learnt a lot from that.ksi:
Agree. I might say for a small country like Singapore it is essential too.Positive diversity brings about progress.
ksi:
Yeah it's end of the era of top down approach. Otherwise it will be the end of the top .As citizens, I believe we are all watchful not to tip the balance in the scale for the macro picture, we still have faith in the leadership but we need a voice to bounce ideas so that things are not so top-down approach.
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