Ministerial Salary Review

[3Boys]

ksi:

3Boys, we have not reached the point to worry so much yet about opposition taking over the house. Having some opposition brings many dimensions to an issue. For example, in the forum, we discuss until we can see things for each other's views. It is certainly not a bad thing, both Chenon and I can attest to that. Positive diversity brings about progress. As citizens, I believe we are all watchful not to tip the balance in the scale for the macro picture, we still have faith in the leadership but we need a voice to bounce ideas so that things are not so top-down approach. I believe even for your sons, you will give them a chance to ask why and offer their different views before you come to some middle ground with them, no? If opposition is not constructive, I am sure it will be obvious to many as seen in past cases of undesirable oppositions. Singapore has reached some level of maturity to be able to manage this by its people. Of course I am with you when we read some of the very extreme views on the net that sometimes raise our brows the way the leadership is being brutally bashed. Balance is what we need.

Thank you.

Remember, I voted opposition at the last election, I understand.

The discussion does need to be predicated on a shared platform of agreed facts, or view at least. I think what goes on right now is a matter of establishing what those are. For instance, if someone criticises the g'ment for raising the GST to 7%, first we have to agree on whether 7% GST is in fact a good or bad thing, before we can discuss if the g'ment had done a good or bad job.

Chill pill time, gonna make myself a martini......

[Chenonceau]

ksi:

It is certainly not a bad thing, both Chenon and I can attest to that. Positive diversity brings about progress.

Awwwwwwwwwwww.... I just got praised by my mod!! :please: :please: :rahrah: :rahrah: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:

Boy... I am SUCH a sucker for praise. But well... :imcool: :imcool:

Sorry... :offtopic: Now I'll go and gloat in private.

[Chenonceau]

3Boys:

Thank you.

Remember, I voted opposition at the last election, I understand.

Youuuuuuuu! Voted OPPOSITION!! *Gasp* *Hyperventilate* and then :faint:

Real anot?

Seriously though, I admire your insistence on evidence-based conclusions. :udaman:

[corneyAmber]

Chenonceau:

3Boys:

Thank you.

Remember, I voted opposition at the last election, I understand.

Youuuuuuuu! Voted OPPOSITION!! *Gasp* *Hyperventilate* and then :faint:

Real anot?

Seriously though, I admire your insistence on evidence-based conclusions. :udaman:

3Boys, like Chenon, I am surprised....

[corneyAmber]

Chenonceau:

ksi:

It is certainly not a bad thing, both Chenon and I can attest to that. Positive diversity brings about progress.

Awwwwwwwwwwww.... I just got praised by my mod!! :please: :please: :rahrah: :rahrah: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:

Boy... I am SUCH a sucker for praise. But well... :imcool: :imcool:

Sorry... :offtopic: Now I'll go and gloat in private.

Heh...where praise is deserved...never stingy.. :celebrate:

[corneyAmber]

insider:

3Boys:

[For instance, if someone criticises the g'ment for raising the GST to 7%, first we have to agree on whether 7% GST is in fact a good or bad thing, before we can discuss if the g'ment had done a good or bad job.

Wah, this 7% GST discussion deserves a thread on its own...

I agree this one is a long discussion.

[3Boys]

ksi:

Chenonceau:

[quote=\"3Boys\"]
Thank you.

Remember, I voted opposition at the last election, I understand.

Youuuuuuuu! Voted OPPOSITION!! *Gasp* *Hyperventilate* and then :faint:

Real anot?

Seriously though, I admire your insistence on evidence-based conclusions. :udaman:

3Boys, like Chenon, I am surprised.... [/quote]Can't stand their politics....

[Sun_2010]

ksi:

For example, in the forum, we discuss until we can see things for each other's views.

It is certainly not a bad thing, both Chenon and I can attest to that.
Me too. I learnt a lot from that.

ksi:

Positive diversity brings about progress.

Agree. I might say for a small country like Singapore it is essential too.

ksi:

As citizens, I believe we are all watchful not to tip the balance in the scale for the macro picture, we still have faith in the leadership but we need a voice to bounce ideas so that things are not so top-down approach.

Yeah it's end of the era of top down approach. Otherwise it will be the end of the top .

[Sun_2010]

ksi:

If opposition is not constructive, I am sure it will be obvious to many as seen in past cases of undesirable oppositions.

This I am not sure of . Often the opposition has to highlight the flaws and they do so in ways are populist, which is the easier than sitting on the chair. A small percentage of people are into totally govt bashing lets ignore them. But a sizable portion seem to associate most problem to the govt, bcos often we need a target, we have our own troubles. Yes there are those dig deeper and evaluate and look beyond the words but they are not the majority.
This is a problem worldwide. And that is why I guess politics is such a dirty

ksi:

Balance is what we need.

[Strparent]

man,...... you ladies just keep adding charcoal to the campfire, feeding 3Boys' thirst for a good challenge, a good 'fight' :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: - in a good sense of course.


I love his posts as well :salute: , his strong stand to challenge the majority, the prove-it-to-me attitude.

wish we were army buddies, man

ksi:

Chenonceau:

[quote=\"3Boys\"]Remember, I voted opposition at the last election, I understand.

Youuuuuuuu! Voted OPPOSITION!!
Real anot?

3Boys, like Chenon, I am surprised.... [/quote]ksi, dunno why u are surprised. Am sure chen was just kidding about it.

if you really read carefully, he is candid, frank, direct - maybe he is challenging just to prove his choice was correct
but seriously, you should know by now, most of the active forumers in 'these sort of threads' are more likely to have voted for opposition.
Those that voted for ruling party are not errrr....'agitated' enough to be too active here, imho.

But I agree with 3Boys on the 7% GST, it is good and need to be there. The only greivance is the lack of clear obvious subsidy from this GST for the truly needy, eg zero rate on pure necessities ( rice, sugar, etc ).

3Boys:

SMRT is listed company, whilst Temasek was possibly represented on the board (do they hold a seat?), the decision is a private one not dictated by the g'ment.

3Boys, come on.... dont do the white paper black paper on these leh.
Chartered SM? Singtel ? SPH ? DBS ? F&N ? all also public listed.
.......................... :imconstipated: :sick: :censored:

think we should leave it as it is. :siam:
kar kee chai doh ho liao :oops: