Former SCDF and CNB chiefs arrested
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BlueBells:
No two cases r exactly d same. Cannot deal with these cases like cutter cookies.Actually, up to this point in time, the only confirmed corruption that has taken place is their moral corruption with the woman. There is no confirmed $$ corruption per se yet. And if going by some of the views exchanged in the YSL thread, shouldn't EMA be considered private affairs?
These 2 guys aren't even MPs, no gag orders, and are suspended from their jobs. Talk about accountability ... who has to account more, these 2 guys or the MP?
I said b4 in dis thread dat I find d manner in which dis matter (of d 2 chiefs) was handled n released to d public while investigations were still ongoing at odds with SOP. -
ksi:
BlueBells:
Actually, up to this point in time, the only confirmed corruption that has taken place is their moral corruption with the woman. There is no confirmed $$ corruption per se yet. And if going by some of the views exchanged in the YSL thread, shouldn't EMA be considered private affairs?
These 2 guys aren't even MPs, no gag orders, and are suspended from their jobs. Talk about accountability ... who has to account more, these 2 guys or the MP?
The problem here is someone officially lodged a complaint against a tender malpractice so it is placed under business crime investigation unlike the rumour in YSL's case, no one raises it as a crime....just KPO talks so far. So the 2 cases are DISTINCTLY different in that light.
I am also kind of KPO... still wondering how the woman in the case look like.
If someone raise the YSL's rumour as crime then is another story... -
BlueBells:
There need not be an exchange of money for \"corruption\" to exist. Giving this woman's company the contract because she was sleeping with him = corruption due to biasness.Actually, up to this point in time, the only confirmed corruption that has taken place is their moral corruption with the woman. There is no confirmed $$ corruption per se yet. And if going by some of the views exchanged in the YSL thread, shouldn't EMA be considered private affairs?
These 2 guys aren't even MPs, no gag orders, and are suspended from their jobs. Talk about accountability ... who has to account more, these 2 guys or the MP?
Woman has offered sex in return for getting the contract, so her gain was hitting high sales targets and whatever bonus is associated with that. -
BeContented:
Durex survey is available on d net. Just google for it.
Or the number quoted is only with legally married spouse.....which is only a fraction of the actual number?? Imagine married couple filling up the form and one wrote 1/week while the other is 4/week :scared:WeiHan:
A few years ago, surveys showed that Singapore couples have the lowest number of sex per week (or per month).
Maybe, Singapore guys are just having more sexual partners but not the frequency of sex.
I haven't read d details, but saw there is a demographic data profile.
Sample size is only ard 1,000 ppl.
Yeah, would make it difference if sampling is done in heartlands, Shenton Way, Geylang, or latest hotspot civil service :rotflmao: -
WeiHan:
WeiHan, I had to look at ur comment twice before I understood wat u were trying to say.A few years ago, surveys showed that Singapore couples have the lowest number of sex per week (or per month).
Maybe, Singapore guys are just having more sexual partners but not the frequency of sex.
If more sex partners + increase frequency of sex,
over-exertion will kill u b4 ur wife does! :rotflmao: -
From the news report here http://news.omy.sg/News/Local%2BNews/Story/OMYStory201201311535-308365.html , the 2 (ex-CNB and the pretty) both happen to go to the same temple to pray. He hid when he saw her at the temple.
U think possible that the 2 ex-chief both \"fall in love\" with the same woman, some other people jealous of the her having the loves from 2 high profile personnels and hence sabo them.verykiasu2010:
Public servant cannot as shown in another case.
sure, civil servants can ! public servant cannot !!sleepyqueen:
Civil servants cannot have extra marital affairs?!?
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why must he hide when he see her inside the temple ? :rotflmao:
http://news.omy.sg/News/Local%2BNews/Story/OMYStory201201271509-307510.html -
phtthp:
why must he hide when he see her inside the temple ? :rotflmao:
even if both fall in love with her, so long as no bribery, if they are \"guang ming zheng da\", no need to be scared
From the news it states as follows:
\"可是他万万没有想到，竟会和同样到这里祈求平安的IT女郎“撞个正着”，为免节外生枝，他急急忙忙钻进佛堂密室，躲了起来。\"
To avoid further misunderstanding/complication to the situation.
But hor why so qiao （巧）...one day got 24hrs and so many temples in s'pore, yet they can go on the same day, same temple and same time frame. -
everything is fated for both of them
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http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/63800440-post1085.html
:scared: :scared: ??? so dramatic
[quote]Why when no authority confirmed the involvement of woman, improper relationship and sex in the ongoing investigation of Peter Lim and Ng Boon Gay, the PAP-controlled MSM is so daring to keep reporting about it? MSM can provide a lot of details about this woman, and MSM even got hold of the personal information of the woman and her husband. Where did they get such private and personal information?
This is a smoke screen. It's a cover up of an investigation gone wrong and heading no where. It's part of a bigger conspiracy from a prolonged power struggle within MHA, resulting in severe collateral damage.
The current Director of CPIB, Eric Tan, was in ISD during the 1987 Marxist Conspiracy. As a relative of Monsignor Francis Lau, Eric played an important role between ISD/Singapore government and the Church. Since then, he earned
the trust of the then Director ISD, Benny Lim, and has been backed by the latter till date.
Eric is well known within MHA to be a hot-blooded rash person. For example, in GE 1991, when still in ISD, he was deployed to observe the crowd in a Potong Pasir rally. Instead of following the agreed rules of engagement (trailing and identifying trouble makers, and passing the leads to police for arrest), he identified himself as a police officer in a crowd of thousands and tried to arrest the trouble makers. That action of him nearly caused a major riot. He received a warning letter for his rash act. But he was backed by Benny Lim.
Unfortunately he did not learn his lesson, and did a similar stunt in GE 1997 when he was still in ISD. But with backing by Benny, he enjoyed smooth career in MHA moving from ISD to SIR to CNB and to ICA. But his rash behaviour never changed. In 2005, Benny became the Perm Sec of MHA, and Eric's flag flew
even higher.
However, due to his weakness, he was never considered for the post of Commissioner of Police despite strong backing by Benny. This is especially true when he had a very strong contender - Lock Wai Han, who happens to have two very good drinking friends in the police force - Ng Boon Gay and Paul Lim.
For some strange reason, Paul Lim at a private birthday dinner in Shangri-La was accused of molesting the Shang Palace waitress in 2009. The case was leaked to the press too. At that time, Director CID was Ng Boon Gay. But because of their closeness, Deputy Director CID Wong Choon Mann was appointed as the IO for Paul's case. Paul had his lucky break, his friend at the dinner happened to film the occasion and the said waitress was filmed teasing the guests including sitting on laps. Paul resigned before PSD initiated the internal disciplinary proceeding. During that time, Paul was avoided by many in MHA, but Boon Gay
and Peter Lim believed in him and continued to meet him.
A year later, 2010, Boon Gay and Wai Han were implicated in insider trading and investigated by CPIB. There were insufficient evidence. Wai Han resigned and he is now based in China. Boon Gay was posted as Director CNB. And the first thing he uncovered and went public was the years of wrong drug statistics before his time, when the Deputy Director CNB then was Ng Ser Song. Coincidentally, Ser Song was a young ISD officer with Eric in GE 1991. And, Ser Song now replaced Boon Gay as Director CNB.
With no strong candidate, an unlikely officer, Ng Joo Hee, was selected as Commissioner of Police. He is the first CP without the major foundation postings - Director Ops and Director CID. He had his disciplinary cases in his younger days too, such as losing his Investigation Papers. But he did once work for Benny in ISD. Another ISD connection. As the CP now, he can't be bothered
with policy, planning and management. He is only interested in outdoors. And with this new found fame, his IT headhunter wife, Joyce, has been telling her customers and candidates about her husband.
Sensing that his position is weakening especially since Benny is due to be posted out of MHA, Eric accepted the post of Director CPIB on 1 Oct 2010. Soon in 2011, Benny took over as Perm Sec PMO. Eric is once again with Benny. Eric pulled along Choon Mann (who investigated against Paul) to become Director Investigation in CPIB. Knowing that Eric has grudges with many officers in MHA, there were talks since 2010 that many in MHA would be in trouble.
The golden opportunity presented itself. A sore loser in the IT industry (Derrick Leau?), made a false report about money and sex involving SCDF and CNB. Still a hot-blooded rash person, Eric directed his team to take action including arresting Peter and Boon Gay before sufficient
surveillance and preliminary covert investigation were carried out.
After weeks of investigation and many more people arrested/called up, CPIB found no evidence of money and sex as alleged by the \"whistleblower\". Around the same time, the latter leaked to the press to pressurize Singapore government. This explains the first CPIB press release of \"serious personal misconduct\" as opposed to alleged corruption, and subsequent releases and interviews with Ministers including PM. In Singapore, sex in return of favours is definitely classified as corruption.
CPIB is now in a panick mode. They made a big blunder by rashly arresting two HODs and many senior officers and even people from the industry, many from NCS. They now need to dig out every small things that they can get hold. They even interrogated the arrested people to justify small little things such as simple meals and golf games. I believe Ministers and MPs attended even more
dinner and golf game!
With no knowledge at all how the IT industry operates for win-win for government and vendor, CPIB even asked staff of NCS why they knew the budget of certain projects, and why they are the only bidder, why they bidded just below the budget, etc. I guess RFI (request for information) to CPIB means Requires Forced Interrogation.
Perhaps CPIB investigators did not realize that when Eric was Commissioner ICA from 2005 to 2010, he was entertained frequently by NEC and EDS (now HP). And they probably did not know that NEC won a contract as a sole bidder at $4,999,999, one dollar below the actual budget.
The root of this power struggle and conspiracy was planted during the Marxist Conspiracy. Many more senior people in the government were once the core ISD team involved in the operation. Back then, PM Goh Chok Tong was even quoted \"Was the ISD not making a mistake? Were they not over-reacting?\"
Before CPIB goes too deeply and result in greater collateral damage, we need our PM to ask \"Is the CPIB not making a mistake? Are they not over-reacting?\"
PM and Teo Chee Hean need to exercise their moral courage to stop all these nonsense! Get SPF to arrest Eric Tan for wrongful arrests and many other charges. Release unconditionally the arrested persons. Apologise and compensate those with their image tarnish especially the arrested and the so called IT lady. Lay defamation charges against the SPH and the papers. Arrest the false \"whistleblower\".
Singapore is already a laughing stock internationally. Don't make it worst. And don't lose our good loyal civil servants to power struggle. Let's move on.[/quote]
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