MOE should give P1 registration priority to SG kids?

[janet88]

huanghou:

If parents prefer to send their kids to international school where learning is more fun than all the tuition and scrambling around for notes and papers that schools do not provide, then why should MOE stop them even if they live and work here?


Isn't this their personal choice? So back to this thread - if MOE would like every local kid to be in local school then why should he/she not be given priority?

Since govt has given the go ahead for international schools like ACS (international), SJI I and HCI to operate, why not allow primary schools to go independent too ? If rich parents send their littles one to international primary schools, then there will be more vacancies for mainstream primary schools, esp popular ones. Then we won't have another Jim Rogers taking up a place in Phase 2B in NYPS.

[jtoh]

janet_lee88:

huanghou:

If parents prefer to send their kids to international school where learning is more fun than all the tuition and scrambling around for notes and papers that schools do not provide, then why should MOE stop them even if they live and work here?


Isn't this their personal choice? So back to this thread - if MOE would like every local kid to be in local school then why should he/she not be given priority?

Since govt has given the go ahead for international schools like ACS (international), SJI I and HCI to operate, why not allow primary schools to go independent too ? If rich parents send their littles one to international primary schools, then there will be more vacancies for mainstream primary schools, esp popular ones. Then we won't have another Jim Rogers taking up a place in Phase 2B in NYPS.

What if this does get the go-ahead and the international primary schools hire some of the best teachers, have the best processes etc. All the while somehow the kids are having fun and still do well for PSLE (assuming that PSLE is still compulsory for all regardless of whether you're in international or local schools).

Will there come a time when other parents will cry foul and say it's not fair that the rich are able to send their kids to these international schools while the rest have to attend your local primary schools who may not have the best teachers/processes?

[1amber]

Don’t think so. As someone pointed out, the system, processes and KPIs are different between local primary schools and international IB schools Y1-Y5. Like apples are apples and and oranges are oranges. So no need to worry that all the best teachers who can teach apples well will get hired to teach oranges. Otherwise, even before asking for transfer from an apple school to an orange school, we will hear of many teachers wanting transfers to top local apple schools.

[Baby_May_09]

I think that the current situation of primary one registration is quite ridiculous. Even if you only want your kid to go to a better neighborhood school near your house, you have to do PV for a chance to ballot. Before I have any kids, I used to tell myself not to be so kiasu, don’t need to do PV, but now PV has become the norm so I may be ‘forced’ to do PV. For some popular schools, you may not even get selected for PV. I can see the reasons for all the phases ie. Phase 1 for practical reasons, phase 2A for ties of old boys/girls to the school, phase 2B for all contributions recognized ie clan, church and grassroots.


I do not know how MOE is going to change the registration process, but I hope it will somehow be better than the situation now. However it is a zero sum game, certain group of people will be better off after the change and certain group of people will be worse off.

That being the case, personally, I would prefer that priority be given to
Singaporean kid at all phases.

[huanghou]

Baby_May_09:

I think that the current situation of primary one registration is quite ridiculous. Even if you only want your kid to go to a better neighborhood school near your house, you have to do PV for a chance to ballot. Before I have any kids, I used to tell myself not to be so kiasu, don't need to do PV...

I used to think so too...not anymore...have since repented...hee hee :nailbite:

[vicki]

I’m wondering a little - but maybe abit ‘offtopic’ - so the result of popular schools like NYPS n HPPS - is it becos of the teachers or MOE biasness?


What happens if MOE totally switch the staff/ resources from these schools to less popular ones? Will the std of the unpopular school then go up?

[Baby_May_09]

huanghou:

Baby_May_09:

I think that the current situation of primary one registration is quite ridiculous. Even if you only want your kid to go to a better neighborhood school near your house, you have to do PV for a chance to ballot. Before I have any kids, I used to tell myself not to be so kiasu, don't need to do PV...

I used to think so too...not anymore...have since repented...hee hee :nailbite:

I used to think never mind my kid don't have to go to branded/top primary school just a not too bad school near my house. But looking at the current situation, I have to ask myself - since I am intending to do PV, should I try my luck at the top/ branded school instead of doing PV at a better neighborhood school which might not even guarantee me a place. Or do I really do nothing and let the government post me to a hopefully not so bad school. I think doing nothing is fine maybe 5 years ago, looking at current situation, PV is the norm and I think I cannot do nothing anymore unless the changes Govt come up with is good enough such that everyone (or most) don't have to do PV.

[znzyzyzx]

vicki:

I'm wondering a little - but maybe abit 'offtopic' - so the result of popular schools like NYPS n HPPS - is it becos of the teachers or MOE biasness?


What happens if MOE totally switch the staff/ resources from these schools to less popular ones? Will the std of the unpopular school then go up?

Actually it is bcos of the parents (ie, the kids family background). Those who bother to send their kids to these schools are either more well off or more highly educated, so they can either teach the kids themselves or send for tuition. Even if not not teaching themselves or go for tuition, the kids are also in a better off environment with more resources available.

[lim72]

Just make sure your kids are in the top three classes , sad to say, otherwise you are most likely left to your own device, even in top branded school. My friend’s dd is in this situation now.


She had made a bad decision as she is not highly educated, she can’t teach and she is not rich. Her dd is smart but not smart enough. I think if she studies in a normal school, she could be in the top three classes.

[verykiasu2010]

vicki:

I'm wondering a little - but maybe abit 'offtopic' - so the result of popular schools like NYPS n HPPS - is it becos of the teachers or MOE biasness?


What happens if MOE totally switch the staff/ resources from these schools to less popular ones? Will the std of the unpopular school then go up?

if you parachute a very capable teacher to a lowest ranked primary school with a one of a kind type crazy principal, it won't work magic, it is kamikaze

teachers (and for that matter, any employees) thrives well in a certain given environment

and that environment is made up of the following :

1. peer support (fellow teachers, fellow co-workers) - share resources, tips, help one another etc

2. support from bosses (principal, vp, HOD, etc) - clear headed leadership, let the teachers teach instead of doubling up as admin manager - continuously improving on teaching materials, buy the necessary resource; provide the supporting framework like good IT set up, database management software, providing conducive physical environment like nice lounges in staff area, organise staff functions, appreciation for teachers who have done well, give recognition to teachers and sharing of best practice among colleagues

3. parental support of kids, ensuring kids do their homework, revision etc, good alumni network to support school activities, good PTA support

4. motivated teachers who has the calling to be an educators, not a mercenary who switch to teaching from corporate life because of being unable to cope with the strive and stress of the corporate work place.....

you can rotate a staff but you can't uproot culture, sense of belonging, sense of family, and you can't replicate culture and \"environment\"....these are built over time.....and yes, back to the popular catch phrase ..... not all school are the same good