S'poreans to get priority for P1 places during balloting

[Brainkid]

I am blur. If a PR is a clan member or have association or is a church member, does it means it still have priority over a Singaporean who is a non-church member but stays within 1km?

Is this still called Singaporeans have absolute priority?

Shouldn’t the system be opened to Singaporeans first and then a next round for the PRs, depending on how many vacancies are left over?

[MrsSeah]

Brainkid:

I am blur. If a PR is a clan member or have association or is a church member, does it means it still have priority over a Singaporean who is a non-church member but stays within 1km?

Is this still called Singaporeans have absolute priority?

Shouldn't the system be opened to Singaporeans first and then a next round for the PRs, depending on how many vacancies are left over?

If a PR is a clan member or association and can apply under PHASE 2B, than under phrase 2B, Singaporean will have priority followed by PR.

Eg. if there is 50 vacancies in A school (under phrase 2B).

35 Singaporean within 1 km
15 PR within 1 km.

5 Singaporean within 1-2 km
3 PR within 1-2 km

5 Singaporean outside 2 km
2 PR outside 1 km


So priority will be given

1) 35 Singaporean (within 1 KM) (Sure go in)
2) 5 Singaporean (within 1-2 KM) (Sure go in)
3) 5 Singaporean (outside 2 KM) (Sure go in)
4) left with 5 vacancy - ballot by 15 PR (within 1 KM)

so mean 3 PR (within 1-2 km) and 2 PR (outside 2 km) cannot go into A school.

[phtthp]

you are right.


under old rule, PRs ballot with SC head on.
If PR lady luck smiling with him even with 1 ballot slip, PR still manage to get in. Unlucky SC who lost to PR even given 2 balloting slip - feel very sore. SC lost out to another fellow SC can stomach, but SC lost to PR is ... dont know what to say. Is like SC are being treated 2nd class citizen.

under new rule -
in any phase, so long as still have leftover places after ALL Singaporean kids had entered, PR still can enter, before the next immediate phase 1st Singaporean kid in the queue < 1km.

under 2B < 1km hot schools, PRs may still have slight chance. why ? Because not all SC have time to join (PV, clan, church, GRL).

however under 2C hot popular schools, PRs ZERO chance. SC would have snapped up all hot seats for all distances range: < 1km, < 2km, > 2km.

[limlim]

Dino_Mummy:

I don't know about you guys but when i travel overseas and then the moment i landed back in Singapore airport again - i just feel a sense of happiness that i am back. I love the 'smell' of even our airport.

Only a SC will feel this way.

So.. at the customs, did you queue at the \"Singapore Passport\" or \"All passports\"

indeed.. the \"Welcome Home\" message is very warming too....

[limlim]

verykiasu2010:

the feeling of home is when you step on board a SIA plane, regardless NYC or LAX or Beijing

no leh.. SIA ticket very exp leh...... :evil:

[limlim]

jtoh:

So are we saying that if both parents are PRCs but are PRs in Singapore, their child (under 21) can hold both Singapore and China citizenships? And if that's so, at P1 registration, is the child considered registering under Singapore citizenship (bec he's Singaporean) or under PR (bec both parents are PR?)

It is possible for the kid (or rather, teenager) to have dual PRC & SG citizenship. But, at P1 age, I doubt the kid will be able to get SC on his/her own merit. For the scholar case, I guess she was offered SC when she is like teenager age and have outstanding achievements to earn the \"offer\"..

Funz:

I thought only if one parent is an SC then the kid can be SC if not will be dependants or PR

For SG Citizenship at time of birth, 1 of the parent must be SC.

Or else, no way.

[limlim]

Brainkid:

I am blur. If a PR is a clan member or have association or is a church member, does it means it still have priority over a Singaporean who is a non-church member but stays within 1km?

Is this still called Singaporeans have absolute priority?

Shouldn't the system be opened to Singaporeans first and then a next round for the PRs, depending on how many vacancies are left over?

Shd be.. yes. Connections is P2B, and that is before P2C.

SC have priority if they're in the same phase. If not............. then they belong to a different queue which is further back.. Not too sure abt this.. but I guess this is the case..

[xiaostar]

Despite what most forummers think, this new policy is not entirely about putting Singaporeans first. It is just politics at work.


The recent election has seen the PAP votes slide down to 60%. The way I see it - the govt is pressing PRs to convert to Singaporean citizens so that they will have more supporters in 2016. (New citizens tend to vote for PAP. The opposition parties are mostly anti-foreigners and largely don’t appeal to new citizens.) Remember, PRs don’t get to vote in elections. So if you want to be really cynical, the govt is just doing this in the hope of getting more votes from new citizens for the next elections.

Why don’t they want remove the alumni/clan/church/etc phases? The people who benefit most from alumni/clan/church/etc phases are the same people who are making the policies. Do you really think they are going to shoot themselves in the foot?

About PRs threatening to leave Singapore because of all these pressure - the govt doesn’t feel threatened at all because you are not a voter. The government (and companies here) has lots of money to pay people with the right skills to work in Singapore should you leave. But no amount of money can buy votes (well, at least not that I know of in this country) and 2 years of your son’s life for NS. And that’s another reason why they are pushing PRs to convert to SC - so that there’ll be more boys liable for NS and not PRs who renounce with no consequences the moment they turn 16/17.

That said, I think this new policy is a step in the right direction. I think Singaporeans are a difficult bunch. Everything that the govt does, people also complain. All schools in Singapore are good. There’s no need to start the rat race so early on in your kids lives.

[JoetheSC]

Daddy

I don't see the need to get personal with rebuttals...

Don't turn this to a SC against PR topic..
:celebrate:

First of all, let me clarify...THIS IS a SC against PR/FT topic.

I can't see how we can not make it so, when this is a discussion on a policy that clearly pits PRs/FTs' entitlements against SCs'.

I am equally offended by Mr Snaw's arrogance and sense of entitlement as those who were offended by my rebuttal, but my rebuttal was not meant to be \"personal\". Instead, it is meant to strongly REMIND the non-SCs in general (esp. those who don't \"Get it\"), that as much as we SCs welcome REAL (F)TALENTs to our motherland, they can NEVER and should NEVER expect to be granted equal entitlements/concessions in areas like primary/basic education and accommodation simply because unlike SCs, PRs/FTs were not born/raised/will raise a family/live/and die HERE. I am sure they would agree that the same holds true in reverse.

In simple unsavoury terms, FTs/PRs are transient migrants whose main focus is to enrich themselves first (as anyone would), in whichever land that offers the best opportunities/returns. All other benefits that the host (country) receives from FTs/PRs' \"contributions\" are incidental rather than primary to their decision to relocate (here). And I would expect that once the factors that were beneficial to PRs/FTs are taken away, they CAN and WILL relocate..as what Mr Snaw so clearly mentioned or even threatened, albeit mis-guidedely.

That is why Mr Snaw threatened \"I'll never go SC, why would I want to?...... If Singapore keeps forcing the issue with moves like this I'll leave\".

The SG government is FINALLY acknowledging that they had neglected its own citizens and the CONSEQUENCES have not been desirable, and hence, it looks like the main agenda going forward (at least until the next GE) is to win back the hearts of SCs...AT THE EXPENSE OF PRs/FTs.

So...get used to it..SCs, PRs and FTs alike

[phtthp]

JoetheSC, Fully agree and support what you'd just said.


:thankyou: again