City Harvest's founder Kong Hee & 4 others arrested/charged

[empressplace]

Dreamaurora:

Prior to this case, it seems very few local preachers/leaders are willing to comment on Kong Hee and Sun Ho. If only there had been a concerted effort by local church leaders to rebuke Sun Ho's MTVs and Kong Hee's prosperity teaching, Singapore's Christian landscape could have been very different.

Actually this article suggests that some pastors may have written to KH to criticise Sun Ho.

http://c3churchwatch.wordpress.com/2012/04/19/china-boy-china-wine/

The original article by KH cannot be found on his website anymore it seems.

[zakashi]

Its members consists of many educated youth graduates, some even graduate with honor, famous media corp celebrities, professional doctors, lawyers, management people, rich business people . … you name it. That equal to $50million or even more in giving to the church for God’s glory. It is very sad if so much of this money is being used to glorify themselves instead as the evidence revealed.


I heard their son is studying in one of the popular schools in B. I wonder how this will affect him.

[Dreamaurora]

empressplace:

Dreamaurora:

Prior to this case, it seems very few local preachers/leaders are willing to comment on Kong Hee and Sun Ho. If only there had been a concerted effort by local church leaders to rebuke Sun Ho's MTVs and Kong Hee's prosperity teaching, Singapore's Christian landscape could have been very different.

Actually this article suggests that some pastors may have written to KH to criticise Sun Ho.

http://c3churchwatch.wordpress.com/2012/04/19/china-boy-china-wine/

The original article by KH cannot be found on his website anymore it seems.

Well, its not a lie if you believe in it.

Referring to Kong her in the article btw

[iRabbit]

Is there a verse in the Bible which says that we [Christians] should not criticize church leaders. Something like let God deal with them [and their wrongdoing]?


Many years back, someone mentioned this to me before.

Edit: just in case there’s any misunderstanding - I was from a traditional church, not all these megachurches.

[Dreamaurora]

empressplace:

Dreamaurora:

Prior to this case, it seems very few local preachers/leaders are willing to comment on Kong Hee and Sun Ho. If only there had been a concerted effort by local church leaders to rebuke Sun Ho's MTVs and Kong Hee's prosperity teaching, Singapore's Christian landscape could have been very different. I hope this is not because \"my church is smaller, so I don't think I have the right to criticize a bigger church\" mentality.


Yes, those issues should have been commented much earlier and not only because of this criminal case. But now this case is out in the open and people are asking and getting confused, should Christian leaders here just sit on the fence?

Theoretically one would look to Christian leaders to criticise, rebuke and get everyone in line. In reality, there is no one single church leader who has authority over every Christian pastor among the Protestant churches, unless you are talking about pastors within a specific denomination such as the Anglican or Methodist churches with an established hierarchy.

If one Christian pastor starts to criticise another pastor from another church, it would either start a war of words or people may question his intentions. He is not sitting on the fence as such. He can only control what he teaches in his own church and his focus would be to talk about the right principles to his own congregation, without directly attacking another pastor during the current controversy.

This is the sad reality of the world now. What we can do is to educate our kids and loved ones the dangers of these false teachings. For those who have been indoctrinated wrongly, all we can do is to pray that they will open their eyes when the truth is presented to them.

[Dreamaurora]

FQW:

Is there a verse in the Bible which says that we [Christians] should not criticize church leaders. Something like let God deal with them [and their wrongdoing]?


Many years back, someone mentioned this to me before.

Edit: just in case there's any misunderstanding - I was from a traditional church, not all these megachurches.

NOT TRUE. Can read 1 Timothy 5 for the procedure to deal with church leaders who err.

[Lilac66]

Dreamaurora:

empressplace:

[quote=\"Dreamaurora\"] Prior to this case, it seems very few local preachers/leaders are willing to comment on Kong Hee and Sun Ho. If only there had been a concerted effort by local church leaders to rebuke Sun Ho's MTVs and Kong Hee's prosperity teaching, Singapore's Christian landscape could have been very different.

Actually this article suggests that some pastors may have written to KH to criticise Sun Ho.

http://c3churchwatch.wordpress.com/2012/04/19/china-boy-china-wine/

The original article by KH cannot be found on his website anymore it seems.

Well, its not a lie if you believe in it.

Referring to Kong her in the article btw[/quote]

After reading the article, I can only say \"Woa, the gift of the gab he has! KH certainly has a very powerful ability to turn something black into something white by his argument. As a Christian , I know the doctrines have been twisted to his advantage. But if I were a newly converted Christian, esp if I started out in CHC, I can't say for sure I won't be swayed by KH's teachings and argument. Therein lies the danger for alot of Christian youths who were brought to Christ by the members of CHC.

Therefore, I agree we as parents have a lot on our plate as the world is becoming more corrupted ,and the fact is that the corruption is done so subtly. We have to watch our children and grab every opportunity to teach them that in the Bible, right is right, wrong is wrong. You can't turn a wrong into a right.And of course to pray unceasingly for them coz soon they'll be turning more to friends than us.

Now I know why my niece refused to listen to our advice to leave CHC. She started out there as an impressionable youth, and like what lot of KSP parents said, the youths have been brainwashed.

[No Kidding]

empressplace:

Dreamaurora:

Yes, I don't think church leaders should comment on the case or whether Kong Hee is guilty or not. But they could have engagad on related issues that are raised from this case, such as proper Christian public image (Sun Ho's MTVs) or prosperity teaching.

KH's teachings and Sun Ho's public image issues have been around for years. If they are worthy of comment, then they should be commented on whether there was a criminal case before the courts or not. In other words, the other Christian leaders should not need to wait till today if they find it necessary to criticise a leader of a very popular church in public. If they only do so today, then it begs the question of why they did not do so earlier. Does it require a criminal case to criticise teachings?

So to the contrary, I think Christian leaders may only be able to comment on the court course after the matter has come to a conclusion and may find it hard to go on to comment on KH's teachings or Sun Ho's music career.

In fact, Lawrence Khong of FCBC spoke in support of KH:

\"We must stand ever more united in love and stronger in prayer for Pastor Kong Hee and the church. This is a time of testing for the Body of Christ. We are all on trial before a righteous God, and we must ask ourselves: do we truly love the Body?\"

http://www.fcbc.org.sg/fcbc/en/celebration/our-thoughts-this-week

Not sure, though, why they are \"all on trial before a righteous God\" when it is just the few individuals who are charged in court?!

Lawrence Khong and Kong Hee are close pals.

A better choice of words would be \"we all stand accountable before a righteous God,...\"

I believe Lawrence Khong is not referring to the impending trial against the Famous Five but the negative fallout their arrests has on the universal church of God as a whole.

[phtthp]

No Kidding:

In fact, Lawrence Khong of FCBC spoke in support of KH.

heard somewhere before that Lawrence Khong of FCBC performed some magic show(s) on stage.

Is this True ?
If True:-
a) what was the purpose / intent of him to perform such magic tricks? Who are his target audience / congregation ?

b) How does magic show(s) enable him reach out to the non Christians? :? I am utterly confused!
anyone from FCBC can comment ?

c) is it right or wrong to resort to magic tricks ?
is it written anywhere in the bible that Pastors are allowed or can use magic tricks ?

[daisyt]

I am thinking there should be different bodies to governance each religious leaders, be it of Christians or Buddhist or Taoist or Muslim … You know, just like lawyers, doxyors snd accountants … There should be a kind of license issue to the leaders and the bodies have the rights to remove their status if committed wrongdoings ad per individual religion rules and beliefs. Just my thought lah …