Asia spending billions on tutors: study
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Also, is SG going to establish itself as an education hub?
Is the ROI worth it to regulate the industry? -
verykiasu2010:
[quote][/quote]Oh, you do worry unduly. Taking such great care to make sure I don't misunderstand you. How thoughtful! I won't for a moment think that you were talking about me. You'd have to say it to my face first. I don't make assumptions. But then again, there are SOME people who are conducting themselves in a rather stupid manner. (not that I'm referring to you too!)
may not be mutual
MOE bashers and teacher bashers are unwilling to quote which school, don't even talk about which teacher. constant repeating the same accusations but unwilling to even name the school, has zero credibility. if one is so unhappy then why afraid to name the school ?
people quoting examples of teachers who care inevitably quote the school name as well.
who is spreading myths ? if the schools are so bad then why the rush for it in pri 1 registration year after year? stupid right ? (not referring to you)
The last I checked, Interrogation happens in court rooms. Where witnesses MUST name the accused! A bit of a mismatch here of skill set (yours) to scenario (forum vs courtroom).
I also think there are highly plausible reasons why people are uncomfortable naming names. People tend to do so only if they have intention to pack up and go. Such as whistle blowers after resigning from their job. If people still have their children there, and there are friends who know the nickname they use here, why would they be comfortable naming names? And schools? They are also pretty smart, to guess that after naming names, it doesn't stop there, for the interrogation, out of good intention I presume, wouldn't stop there. It may end up with the poor writer having to reveal to the interrogators his/her FULL NAME, DOB, IC number , ADDRESS, last visited destination etc, just so interrogators know he/she is not a tutor in disguise maybe? Or an MOE basher in disguise maybe?
The highly possible reason why people still go after the popular schools is because after \"checking it out\", which we have to leave at their discretion, schools afterall are found to have similar experiences of both good and bad. So they might as well decide to go to the popular schools, which for a fact, churns out better academic performances. Others would be alumni, logistic reasons, sibling already there etc. I thought you would already know this.
Whatever people choose to quote here should be just that. Their opinion. We read it and decide for ourselves, not them, what we want to do with that information. It's up to you to ignore it, disbelieve it, but to outrightly challenge it and have people change their opinion should not be the business of any one of us. We say our piece, and let people judge for themselves.
At least in that regard, our politicians have it right. They hold their rallies separately. People attend them separately. Media reports them collectively for all to read in their own peace and quiet. Neutral voters attend both rallies separately. Staunch supporters attend their own. Imagine the noise and chaos if supporters cross turfs and interrupt, heckle and question. How do both sides get to hear each side of the story?
In this forum, of course we do not need to form separate threads for separate camps. We just need some RESPECT and CIVILITY from both sides. Accorded to those also that may not write so well, think so clearly. Let's give everyone some space shall we? -
[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"
[quote]all these hearing from friends, always hearing from friends ...... ....... shadow boxing ?[/quote][/quote]
Only those WITH FRIENDS will be hearing from friends, I think..... Where've you been? Restaurants live on advertisement BY WORD OF MOUTH, so do BOOKS and MAGAZINES and SCHOOLS...TUTORS.... Hmm.... :scratchhead:
Method of Communication? :scratchhead: EQ? :scratchhead:
Ok you stumped me! :faint:
Can I pass please to someone else? Any takers? :?: -
oxyleo:
:goodpost:
Whatever people choose to quote here should be just that. Their opinion. We read it and decide for ourselves, not them, what we want to do with that information. It's up to you to ignore it, disbelieve it, but to outrightly challenge it and have people change their opinion should not be the business of any one of us. We say our piece, and let people judge for themselves.
In this forum, of course we do not need to form separate threads for separate camps. We just need some RESPECT and CIVILITY from both sides. Accorded to those also that may not write so well, think so clearly. Let's give everyone some space shall we?
Fully agree :rahrah: -
oxyleo:
Oxyleo, you are a gem. :celebrate:
In this forum, of course we do not need to form separate threads for separate camps. We just need some RESPECT and CIVILITY from both sides. Accorded to those also that may not write so well, think so clearly. Let's give everyone some space shall we? -
limlim:
errrrmmmm......you feel injustice that SMRT ban drinking and eating and thereby restrict your freedom to eat and drink.
if you want to talk about collateral damage.. innocent parties who are restricted because of some inconsiderate pple.. maybe we are on the same frequency..
I feel the injustice when I am not allowed to drink or eat carefully in the station that is stationary w/o any crowd and no one standing beside me. But you say (or suggest?), it is perfectly acceptable to restrict my freedom to eat and drink.
Are we on the same frequency?
and yet you have on many occasions suggested banning tuition and restrict others the freedom of engaging tuition for their kids.
Well, I for one....support SMRT ban on drinking and eating.
As for banning tuition, I will not die and I suppose my kids will still cope....maybe drop some marks/grades. But people who cannot teach, children cannot cope, need more help eg. 1-1.....they will be the one who suffer the most at the end of this. Improving quality of teachers is a good idea, but that will take time to implement but eventually, there will still be those who still need more help than others. -
BeContented:
Alright, banning tuition was a bad idea.. no issue with that.. sorry to suggest that. :imsorry:
errrrmmmm......you feel injustice that SMRT ban drinking and eating and thereby restrict your freedom to eat and drink.limlim:
if you want to talk about collateral damage.. innocent parties who are restricted because of some inconsiderate pple.. maybe we are on the same frequency..
I feel the injustice when I am not allowed to drink or eat carefully in the station that is stationary w/o any crowd and no one standing beside me. But you say (or suggest?), it is perfectly acceptable to restrict my freedom to eat and drink.
Are we on the same frequency?
and yet you have on many occasions suggested banning tuition and restrict others the freedom of engaging tuition for their kids.
Well, I for one....support SMRT ban on drinking and eating.
As for banning tuition, I will not die and I suppose my kids will still cope....maybe drop some marks/grades. But people whose cannot teach, children cannot cope, need more help eg. 1-1.....they will be the one who suffer the most at the end of this. Improving quality of teachers is a good idea, but that will take time to implement but eventually, there will still be those who still need more help than others.
Just talking about some regulation and control now..
What I said about the \"injustice\" is.. I can accept it.. Actually, I also support it. it has to be, for the greater good and comfort of all passengers.. even if I feel it is not fair to me.. but I SUPPORT it.
Can the others accept the same? -
limlim:
What sort of data can we get from licensing that can determine some course of action? Don't get me wrong, not criticizing you, just want to hear what do you have in mind.
Licensing means tutor must be registered. Actually, my personal feel is maybe just pay $5 and apply, just like applying hawker license. Don't you feel more assured buying of licensed hawker center instead no license ones?FQW:
C'mon, limlim.
So you suggestion of [the criteria of] licensing tutors is based solely on their academic qualification? That's a lazy way to licensing issit? I for one, doesnt have any teaching 'certification', but I dare say I'm well qualified to coach any lower pri sch pupils with similar ability as my child, having worked closely with him for the last few years.
Your suggested criteria of licensing 'qualified' tutors would have in one swoop, disqualified many experienced and good tutors - when the responsibility of gauging the suitability of tutor-pupil combination is solely a parent's prerogative to make. The chemistry of teaching is one of soft skill as well, not just binary - have/don't have cert so straight forward.
But before we get ahead of ourselves, what do we hope to achieve in all this [licensing]?
Maybe MOE could evaluate your suitability. This is open to how to assess and you may have good suggestions on how this is to be done. It may not be academic qualifications alone.
As a tutor yourself, who is working full-time(?), wouldn't you like to be recognized as qualified tutor? (again, you can suggest how to best gauge being \"qualified\")
With licensing, we get data. and with data, the best course of action can be taken.
Also while some parents would like to engage licensed tutors, I think word of mouth and track record would be more important factors that affect a parent's decision of whether to engage a tutor.
Actually, I believe there are many undergraduates who give tuition in their spare time, unless times have changed. It certainly was the case during my time in uni. Are these tutors no good if they aren't licensed tutors? Actually I am inclined to think that they could be better tutors because the subjects taught are still so fresh in their mind and for e.g. they surely know the Math model method as opposed to some of us here... -
FQW:
more analogy:Singfrench:
If the 20% who have weak immune systems use antibiotics, that's fine but if 60% or more use antibiotics then the bacteria (aka exams) are just going to get tougher and tougher for fear of being beaten too easily. Then the antibiotics have to be stronger and stronger. It's a viscous cycle both one-upping each other only the kids suffer lor since adults are immune to this bug.
Err, why would the 60% [I guess they're the ones with strong immune system in your e.g.] who are not sick want to take antibiotics [tuition]? If they so wish to, they should take vitamins [enrichment] so as not to fall sick. If less pple fall sick, then there's less chance of germs mutating/spreading to everyone else, including those 20% with weak immune system. Issit this a good thing?
We can all quote analogies to support our case, and then, we can all interprete analogies to support our case. Agree?
Before you pass judgement on my post, please hear me out on this one below.
What I would like to suggest - instead of begrudging those who take vitamins - is that, we should find out the reason why the 20% in your e.g. are with weak immunity in the first place? Is there something we can help to strengthen their bodies, especially in the early, formative years.
This, rather than insisting those with stronger bodies should be discouraged/disallowed to take vitamins. I for one, certainly don't want to see all children [weak or strong] fall sick with high frequency.
Be it vitamins or antibiotics the only people who are truly reaping the benefits are the pharmaceutical companies.... we won't need vitamins if we're given a healthy well-balanced diet of good education and TLC. Antibiotics if taken in moderation when absolutely necessary is fine but there's no reason to abuse it. -
Singfrench:
What constitutes a \"healthy well-balanced diet of good education and TLC\" means different things to different pple. That's a given.
more analogy:
Be it vitamins or antibiotics the only people who are truly reaping the benefits are the pharmaceutical companies.... we won't need vitamins if we're given a healthy well-balanced diet of good education and TLC. Antibiotics if taken in moderation when absolutely necessary is fine but there's no reason to abuse it.
Whether or not one chooses to take vitamins, it is not up to others to say [it's his perogative after all].
If we can have consensus on the 2 pts above, then it'll be more meaningful to carry on this discussion.
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