Opinions of the Primary School Registration System
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Lizzie:
it is not possible to impose that the family must stay at the same place throughout the six years. every family's situation may change over the period of time, including yours, some are financial and some non-financial reason.
\\verykiasu2010:
it is very difficult, if not impossible, to dictate that one must stay at the address for the duration of the primary school education - family financial situation does change
as long as it is proven no intention at cheating, it should be fine; or if it is proven fraudulent / cheating, then by all means punish them severely
It's next to impossible too to distinguish what' s the fraudulent from the bona fide .
However, what should hold true consistently , is the premise upon which Phase 2C is discharged.
Given that the the premise of qualifying for Phase 2C selection is based on distance, this principle should continue to apply throughout the 6 years of primary education.
Therefore, the bottomline is - once moved house (beyond 1/2km, whether rental or owner occupied) , then your subsequent child (in fact this should also apply to the incumbent first child too, transfer to new school nearer to new home) , should no longer qualify under Phase 2A for P1 registration. It's just too much to continue occupying top priority under Phase 2A for subsequent child when you have clearly \"completed\" abusing the principle of Phase 2C to get a headstart.
One might argue that since the first child is already enrolled into the school, it is just maintaining economies of scale to allow the 2nd ,3rd child to be in the same school as the elder- one stop tranport etc . However, this goes against the grain of the principle of Phase 2C , distance upon which the elder child qualifies for the place in the school. In the first place, there should not be unnecessary ferrying or transport if one clearly continues to stay within 1/2km distance of school.
In addition, by enforcing this strict principle, the school can continuously assure that students who qualify in phase 2 C and remain throughout the 6 years of education, are those who remain within the 1 /2kim radius . It keeps the traffic off the road for everyone else and all the unnecessary ferrying around.
[b]Adminstratively to carry this out, when qualifying for Phase 2A of subsequent child, the administrator should ask for proof of 1st child initial address and distinguish whether rental or owner occupied and the duration of occupation. If proven ,that the occupation was a short-term one, and clearly the new address reflects one beyond 1/2 km, phase 2A should not be open for the 2nd child anymore. The 1st child should also be requested to transfer to the school nearer to new home. This will clear up alot of spaces for people who are vested in their homes within 1/2km for a very long time. This will also clearly deter people going the rental route and create absolute unfair imbalance in Phase 1 and 2A subsequently.[/b]
renting a place near NYPS (as an example) need not be $5k a month, it could be as low as $1k month...those HDB flats 3/4/5 room are quite affordable comparatively
landed house rental there are closer to 5-digit these days -
verykiasu2010:
it is not possible to impose that the family must stay at the same place throughout the six years. every family's situation may change over the period of time, including yours, some are financial and some non-financial reason.
\\Lizzie:
[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]it is very difficult, if not impossible, to dictate that one must stay at the address for the duration of the primary school education - family financial situation does change
as long as it is proven no intention at cheating, it should be fine; or if it is proven fraudulent / cheating, then by all means punish them severely
It's next to impossible too to distinguish what' s the fraudulent from the bona fide .
However, what should hold true consistently , is the premise upon which Phase 2C is discharged.
Given that the the premise of qualifying for Phase 2C selection is based on distance, this principle should continue to apply throughout the 6 years of primary education.
Therefore, the bottomline is - once moved house (beyond 1/2km, whether rental or owner occupied) , then your subsequent child (in fact this should also apply to the incumbent first child too, transfer to new school nearer to new home) , should no longer qualify under Phase 2A for P1 registration. It's just too much to continue occupying top priority under Phase 2A for subsequent child when you have clearly \"completed\" abusing the principle of Phase 2C to get a headstart.
One might argue that since the first child is already enrolled into the school, it is just maintaining economies of scale to allow the 2nd ,3rd child to be in the same school as the elder- one stop tranport etc . However, this goes against the grain of the principle of Phase 2C , distance upon which the elder child qualifies for the place in the school. In the first place, there should not be unnecessary ferrying or transport if one clearly continues to stay within 1/2km distance of school.
In addition, by enforcing this strict principle, the school can continuously assure that students who qualify in phase 2 C and remain throughout the 6 years of education, are those who remain within the 1 /2kim radius . It keeps the traffic off the road for everyone else and all the unnecessary ferrying around.
[b]Adminstratively to carry this out, when qualifying for Phase 2A of subsequent child, the administrator should ask for proof of 1st child initial address and distinguish whether rental or owner occupied and the duration of occupation. If proven ,that the occupation was a short-term one, and clearly the new address reflects one beyond 1/2 km, phase 2A should not be open for the 2nd child anymore. The 1st child should also be requested to transfer to the school nearer to new home. This will clear up alot of spaces for people who are vested in their homes within 1/2km for a very long time. This will also clearly deter people going the rental route and create absolute unfair imbalance in Phase 1 and 2A subsequently.[/b]
renting a place near NYPS (as an example) need not be $5k a month, it could be as low as $1k month...those HDB flats 3/4/5 room are quite affordable comparatively
landed house rental there are closer to 5-digit these days[/quote]suppose got this scenario :-
X rent an apartment < 1 km from Nanyang, 3 months before P1 registration. His child got balloted in, under Phase 2C.
X continued to rent house, for another 2 years.
But when child reach P3, one day X lost his job - financial status changed. X wife not working (housewife). X got to shift out elsewhere far > 2km, can't tahan high costs rental near Nanyang.
question -
will Nanyang expel this child out of school -
if suppose one kaypoh parent's classmate discovered and blow whistle loudly to his form teacher, Principal / VPs, mata ? This type of case - can catch or cannot catch ? -
phtthp:
No, there is no reason to \"expel\". There is nothing to \"catch\".
suppose got this scenario :-
X rent an apartment < 1 km from Nanyang, 3 months before P1 registration. His child got balloted in, under Phase 2C.
X continued to rent house, for another 2 years.
But when child reach P3, one day X lost his job - financial status changed. X wife not working (housewife). X got to shift out elsewhere far > 2km, can't tahan high costs rental near Nanyang.
question -
will Nanyang expel this child out of school -
if suppose one kaypoh parent's classmate discovered and blow whistle loudly to his form teacher, Principal / VPs, mata ? This type of case - can catch or cannot catch ?
Sorry if you are disappointed.
It is not a loophole. No law can dictate that a family cannot rent a place forever to stay. No law to dictate that family situation cannot change.
Instead, may be even the school would look into how to help the student financially if it becomes very bad......hope this does not incense you, haha
It will be good if because of Pri registration rules, government can tell private sector companies that these parents cannot be sacked and cannot lose their job, otherwise it makes these people by default become fraudster in pri 1 registration as they have to change house to afford cheaper place, not necessary the original was expensive -
verykiasu2010:
No, there is no reason to \"expel\". There is nothing to \"catch\".phtthp:
suppose got this scenario :-
X rent an apartment < 1 km from Nanyang, 3 months before P1 registration. His child got balloted in, under Phase 2C.
X continued to rent house, for another 2 years.
But when child reach P3, one day X lost his job - financial status changed. X wife not working (housewife). X got to shift out elsewhere far > 2km, can't tahan high costs rental near Nanyang.
question -
will Nanyang expel this child out of school -
if suppose one kaypoh parent's classmate discovered and blow whistle loudly to his form teacher, Principal / VPs, mata ? This type of case - can catch or cannot catch ?
Sorry if you are disappointed.
It is not a loophole. No law can dictate that a family cannot rent a place forever to stay. No law to dictate that family situation cannot change.
Instead, may be even the school would look into how to help the student financially if it becomes very bad......hope this does not incense you, haha
It will be good if because of Pri registration rules, government can tell private sector companies that these parents cannot be sacked and cannot lose their job, otherwise it makes these people by default become fraudster in pri 1 registration as they have to change house to afford cheaper place, not necessary the original was expensive
No issue at all, on where one chooses to stay voluntarily or otherwise, there are so many variables affecting one's lifestyle. It's a democratic society after all .
However, there should be only one principle that should be held true consistently i.e \"distance\" upon which the school placement are allocated for, no? Was this not the basis that the school was allocated in the first place? Once move house, transfer to school nearer to home. That's it.
In the context of financial difficulties, then wouldn't it make more economical sense if the child should get transferred out to the schools nearer to \"new\" home to save on transport? contradicting is it not? -
Looking at RGPS, P1 registration statistics, over 2 years consistently, at least two applicants living within 1km were balloted out of Phase 2C.
I wonder what they will be thinking (especially if they are still staying within the vicinity of RGPS) if they know that the other 60+ applicants in Phase 2C who were "luckier in the ballots" were of short-term rental and have since moved away.
In fact, the latter’s subsequent sibling(s) will continue to have the "priority" queue in Phase 1 and Phase 2A(2). -
There may a few factors to consider…
Is it in the interest of the kid to change school halfway? new uniform, textbook etc…?
Also, does the new target school have vacancy etc…?
However, if you say once out of range, remove the Phase 1 sibling priority… that may be worth considering… -
Given the assumption and for discussion sake that if once out of range, logically... Phase 2A alumni priority should be removed before Phase 1 sibling priority......
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If a child has to live at the registered address for the full 6 years of primary school education, should he get into gep n need to move to the gep school which is maybe 2 km away from his house, then how?
Lagi better, study in school A for one year, pri 2 transfer to choice school, n pri 4 transfer to gep school....wow, his children can choose from 3 primary schools when it is their turn to go for primary one registration :evil: -
LOLMum:
Great idea! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:If a child has to live at the registered address for the full 6 years of primary school education, should he get into gep n need to move to the gep school which is maybe 2 km away from his house, then how?
Lagi better, study in school A for one year, pri 2 transfer to choice school, n pri 4 transfer to gep school....wow, his children can choose from 3 primary schools when it is their turn to go for primary one registration :evil: -
Imami:
Hey, your situation is very very similar to mine. I am also blessed with 3 Primary Schools within 1km - 1 very good, 1 good and 1 no good.How can I find out more about the primary schools? Other than doing PV?
I am a FTWM. Hubby travels often, so if I sign up for PV, chances are I am the only one clocking the hours. Hence, at the very most, I can only sign up PV at one school.
I am definitely not there yet, judging how clueless I am whenever I read posts about “find out the school, if it is suitable for your child”. My first criteria for primary school is proximity and we are blessed with 3 primary schools within 1km – 1 branded one, 1 good PSLE track record neighbourhood one and 1 neighbourhood one (most people who talk about this school either silent or have no good comment about it). I am seriously thinking about the branded one because it is very strong in chinese. No offence meant but if it is one of those very ‘ang mo’ ones, I would not have been interested.
Will appreciate those who have walked the path provide some advices please.
DH was also ex-student from 2 top Pri Schools which we eventually withdrawn due to distance. Since DH and I need to travel occasionally, we can't afford to send DS to school so proximity to home and near parents is the most important. We do not wish to see that poor little boy sitting in the school bus for an hour x 2 ways x 5 days a week.
Follow your heart, if there is at least 50% chance in that school of your choice, you may want to \"gamble\". However, if you are not a risk taker and recent years enrolment shows there is no 2Cs in the 2nd choice school, then you'll need to seriously think about it.
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