MOE not tweaking P1 registration

[Chenonceau]

Funz:

Wah lao! This is the kind of thing that makes people doubt MOE.
DO NOT CLAIM YOU HAVE STUDENT TEACHER RATIO OF 18 WHEN IT IS NOT!

If that person is not a teacher or teaching the class, that person cannot be part of the ratio. Don't talk numbers on papers, talk about real experience. And don't point out exceptions and speak about it like it is the norm.

Darn. Do they really think we are that stupid?

I don't understand you, Funz... Can you explain your thought process please?

[Sun_2010]

Funz:

Sun_2010:

[quote=\"Funz\"] Confuse, when has it ever been student teacher ratio of 18 to start with?

I had this confusion before too.
The student teacher ratio is the no of students to number of teachers. Not no of students in a class.

Wah lao! This is the kind of thing that makes people doubt MOE.
DO NOT CLAIM YOU HAVE STUDENT TEACHER RATIO OF 18 WHEN IT IS NOT!

If that person is not a teacher or teaching the class, that person cannot be part of the ratio. Don't talk numbers on papers, talk about real experience. And don't point out exceptions and speak about it like it is the norm.

Darn. Do they really think we are that stupid?[/quote]Err...Looks like that is the accepted def of the term Student teacher ratio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student%E2%80%93teacher_ratio

[limlim]

Sun_2010:

The student teacher ratio is the no of students to number of teachers. Not no of students in a class.

so, a school which has 180 × 6 (P1 - P6) = 1080 students will have 60 teachers altogether? Schools really hv so many teachers ar?

[Kagillus]

I don’t see much help in future p1 registration. Going to be the same for next few decades.

[Laura02]

I think most primary schools now have a form teacher and a co-form teacher to each Pri class. So in theory, there is a ratio of 2 teachers to each class of 40.

Often, I see a teacher teaching the class, and another teacher sitting at the back of the class. Dc said that’s the co-teacher. Hmm…

[buds]

Most primary schools?

[Chenonceau]

Kagillus:

I don't see much help in future p1 registration. Going to be the same for next few decades.

Sorry dear... I can really understand your anguish. Would it help if MOE (in the next few years) evened out teaching quality so much that it really doesn't matter which school you register at... you would be assured of a decent education?

That would be so wonderful... then any school nearby would do and the kids can sleep till 7am instead of wake up at 5.30. Would that allay some concerns?

[Lilac66]

I feel that this Lawrence Wong is quite an earnest guy. He seems genuinely interested in listening. With him aboard, I believe things are looking up....

[Lilac66]

Laura02:

I think most primary schools now have a form teacher and a co-form teacher to each Pri class. So in theory, there is a ratio of 2 teachers to each class of 40.

Often, I see a teacher teaching the class, and another teacher sitting at the back of the class. Dc said that's the co-teacher. Hmm...

Yep, I also think the ratio is derived in that way.

[Funz]

Chenonceau:

Funz:

Wah lao! This is the kind of thing that makes people doubt MOE.
DO NOT CLAIM YOU HAVE STUDENT TEACHER RATIO OF 18 WHEN IT IS NOT!

If that person is not a teacher or teaching the class, that person cannot be part of the ratio. Don't talk numbers on papers, talk about real experience. And don't point out exceptions and speak about it like it is the norm.

Darn. Do they really think we are that stupid?

I don't understand you, Funz... Can you explain your thought process please?

Maybe it is due to my line of work. Maybe I do not fully understand. Or maybe I am reading it differently But I am using my layman understanding.

In my line, teacher to student ratio means 1 teacher to x students. Teacher teaching a class must be qualified and involved in teaching the class to be considered part of the ratio. If I have a staff who is qualified but not teaching that class she cannot be counted as part of that ratio. If I have a staff who is not qualified yet but supporting that class, she also does not count as part of that ratio.

So when you say you have teacher ratio of 18, I expect 1 teacher to 18 kids to be the normal scenario in schools. However, reality does not show that, our classes are as big as 40 in most schools.

And if it is really 1 teacher to 18 kids, then what are the teachers complaining about? They are handling only 18kids at any one time right?

hmmm maybe I am really reading it all wrong.