Government, what you really want us to do?

[limlim]

pirate:

Somebody wrote in to the ST today that they have to pay foreigner rates giving birth at KK because the wife is foreigner, even though the baby is SC. The hospital reply is soli lah, it's MOH rule.


Doesn't MOH know that foreign spouses of SCs remain 'foreign' and cannot get PR usually because the SC spouse is deemed not likely to be able to financially support the foreign spouse? In other words, poor.

That's why, no point going to KK, just go to the nearest private hospital lah..

Anyway, the mother is foreigner rate, but the child shd be citizen rate right (baby ward charges etc)?

Also, regarding the PR.. income is not the only consideration.

There are cases where a high income couple were not successful because the length of stay could be too short etc..

[janet88]

Coolkidsrock2:

janet_lee88:

If couples have kids, who looks after them ? Maid also 1) not cheap 2) unreliable 3) not easily available with so many new regulations. 4) would you dare to let the maid to look after your newborn ?

Totally agree with points 2 and 4. Given the problems with maids, they should allow maids to help out at the grandparents' home, subject to mutual agreement instead of casting it in stone that maids can only work in the employer's home. Grandparents look after kids, maid do housework. The objective of the regulation not allowing maid to work at another address is to prevent abuse but it is not abuse if the maid is agreeable.

If the maid is placed at grandparents' place with baby while both parents work, the maid would need to do some housework there like cooking for eg. Of course employers have to be fair not to make the maid work anymore if they bring baby and maid to own home after work.
The maid can't possibly be sitting down the whole day like some 'xiao jie' at grandparents' place. She still needs to eat her meals there and cook dinner since her employers will be coming back for dinner and wash the baby's clothes too.

[pirate]

limlim:

Also, regarding the PR.. income is not the only consideration.


There are cases where a high income couple were not successful because the length of stay could be too short etc..

It appears from the newspaper letter that the husband is a Singapore citizen, that's why the baby is also a SC. I was referring to cases where the wife of a Singapore citizen was not granted PR, which is very different from cases where both husband and wife are not Singaporeans. In a number of such cases, the wife (ie. the child's mother) is not granted PR because the Singapore citizen husband's income or education level is considered to be not high enough to support a foreign wife. It may not be the only factor, but it is a primary factor.

[limlim]

pirate:

limlim:

Also, regarding the PR.. income is not the only consideration.


There are cases where a high income couple were not successful because the length of stay could be too short etc..

It appears from the newspaper letter that the husband is a Singapore citizen, that's why the baby is also a SC. I was referring to cases where the wife of a Singapore citizen was not granted PR, which is very different from cases where both husband and wife are not Singaporeans. In a number of such cases, the wife (ie. the child's mother) is not granted PR because the Singapore citizen husband's income or education level is considered to be not high enough to support a foreign wife. It may not be the only factor, but it is a primary factor.

Was referring to foreigner spouse of SC. Length of stay is also a factor.

Bcoz in other forums always got pple complain spouse cannot get PR.. and they income not really low.. guess there was one case the salary like.. $16k/mth? also rejected.

PR is not like 1~2yrs can easily get.. some mebbe 5~6 yrs then can get.

Many factors involved..

And in some cases, even low income also can fast fast get.. within 6mths.. but they got friends inside. Any relation? don't know.. you make your own judgement......

[pirate]

limlim:

Was referring to foreigner spouse of SC. Length of stay is also a factor.


Bcoz in other forums always got pple complain spouse cannot get PR.. and they income not really low.. guess there was one case the salary like.. $16k/mth? also rejected.

PR is not like 1~2yrs can easily get.. some mebbe 5~6 yrs then can get.

Many factors involved..

And in some cases, even low income also can fast fast get.. within 6mths.. but they got friends inside. Any relation? don't know.. you make your own judgement......

I can accept that there may be exceptional cases (like maybe wife got criminal conviction or was in Singapore on work permit that prohibits marriage to SCs), but even when baby about to be born still no PR for the mother - that is just plain heartless. Yet in the meantime, the government seem to be giving PR away to any Tom, Dick and Harry with no connection whatsoever to Singapore.

Which leads back to the question:
Government, what you really want us to do?

[limlim]

pirate:

I can accept that there may be exceptional cases (like maybe wife got criminal conviction or was in Singapore on work permit that prohibits marriage to SCs), but even when baby about to be born still no PR for the mother - that is just plain heartless.

Not exceptional cases.

Anyway what I'm trying to say is, it is not a norm to get PR with 1~2years, even with high income.

Hence, no PR doesn't mean the couple is poor.

Those who haven't get, just be patient.. mebbe 5 years seems like reasonable..

Heartless or not.... no comments..

[pirate]

But the people I know the norm is less than six months. 5 years to get PR for spouse is not the norm. Those complain on online forum, I don’t know, because hard to verify. What I do know is that they ask for sponsor’s (ie. SC spouse) income, CPF statements, income tax notices of assessment, letter from employer or business registration certificate if self-employed, educational certificates. All very $$$ oriented.


But I know cannot be suka suka one. Suka suka with no clear, transparent criteria is an open invitation for corruption.

[Coolkidsrock2]

The maid can't possibly be sitting down the whole day like some 'xiao jie' at grandparents' place. She still needs to eat her meals there and cook dinner since her employers will be coming back for dinner and wash the baby's clothes too.[/quote]


Unfortunately, the employer will be in violation of the regulation if she so much as wash 1 plate outside her employer's home. Know maids who complain to MOM after washing plates after meal at host family where employer was a guest. :slapshead:

Technically maid will be the princess outside employer's home. Even my kids are brought up to wash up when they are guests. :frustrated:

So long as the maid is agreeable and/or compensated and can manage, such restriction should be reviewed.

[mgnvr]

That’s why my maid never goes out.

[Coolkidsrock2]

Totally agree and same arrangement for me. My maids also requested not to have days off so that they can save money. And they do want to work in grandparent’s home if they are compensated. Hard to think about having more kids if their care taking arrangement cannot be satisfactorily resolved.