Government, what you really want us to do?

[MR06]

pirate:

limlim:

Was referring to foreigner spouse of SC. Length of stay is also a factor.


Bcoz in other forums always got pple complain spouse cannot get PR.. and they income not really low.. guess there was one case the salary like.. $16k/mth? also rejected.

PR is not like 1~2yrs can easily get.. some mebbe 5~6 yrs then can get.

Many factors involved..

And in some cases, even low income also can fast fast get.. within 6mths.. but they got friends inside. Any relation? don't know.. you make your own judgement......

I can accept that there may be exceptional cases (like maybe wife got criminal conviction or was in Singapore on work permit that prohibits marriage to SCs), but even when baby about to be born still no PR for the mother - that is just plain heartless. Yet in the meantime, the government seem to be giving PR away to any Tom, Dick and Harry with no connection whatsoever to Singapore.

Which leads back to the question:
Government, what you really want us to do?

Read this?

SOURCE: The Straits Times

An Immigration and Checkpoints Authority analyst was jailed for two months for corruption and fined a total of $9,000 for computer misuse on Friday.


Ng Chun Wei, 35, was also ordered to pay a penalty of $700.

He had pleaded guilty to accepting $500 from Mr Mohamed Saif Mohamed Salleh, 44, to facilitate the hawker's application for his children's Singapore citizenship in November 2010.

Mr Saif has two children from his second marriage to a Filipino national and had tried previously to apply for the kids' Singapore citizenship without success.

Ng, then attached to the Border Watch Unit, had also admitted to three charges of accessing the ICA computer system to find out the status of Mr Saif's application for his Filipino children on Dec 7, 8 and 9, 2010 at ICA Building in Kallang Road.

Another charge of corruption involving $200 and 21 other offences under the Computer Misuse Act were considered during his sentencing.

The man who introduced them - part-time musician Tan Poh Guan, 55 - was also jailed two months for aiding Mr Saif in giving the $500 bribe to Ng near Chinatown Point on a day in November 2010.

He was given another two weeks for lying to the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau on Jan 4, 2011 that it was he who took the $500 and another $200 from Mr Saif.

A second corruption charge was considered during his sentencing.

They could have been fined up to $100,000 and/or jailed for up to five years for corruption.

For computer misuse, Ng could have been fined up to $5,000 and/or jailed for up to two years on each charge.

[pirate]

The more interesting question is why was Mr Mohamed Saif Mohamed Salleh’s application to register his children as Singapore citizens not successful? Maybe somebody thinks we already have too many children who are citizens?

[Mychildren]

I never ever think of what government really want us to do?

But instead thinking of what I want to do for my country, my family, my friends & to those that I don’t even know.

[Imami]

nightlone:

sleepy:

I subscribed to the exact same thinking too!
Hence, become a SAHM

good for you! :rahrah:

Indeed, I agree - what's the point if parents just dump them at grandparents' place? I hv two colleagues on such arrangement. The kid now three and a half, has been at grandma's place since birth. He only return to his home on weekends. During the weekdays, he stay at grandma's home.

I find this a very uncomfortable scenario.

Another colleague, due to give birth this dec, will also be having such arrangement - either leave at nanny's place from Sunday night to Friday evening or at grandma's place, same thing check in Sunday night check our fri evening.

When I asked her the reason, she said because she could not imagine a life of not enough sleep. She said, if her sleep quality/quantity is compromised, she can't work. When I ask her, haven't she expected this prior to planning for a child ( someone\" accident\" then have a child, this couple plan for one)? She said no, never thought of it. :faint:

[ruohoo97]

:salute:

Mychildren:

I never ever think of what government really want us to do?

But instead thinking of what I want to do for my country, my family, my friends & to those that I don't even know.

[janet88]

It's hard to be a parent.

But if couples have no plans to have any kids, then they really should do something to avoid the 'accident'...but don't have regrets 10 years down the road and get desperate for kids...go for IVF and other means.

With kids, lots of sacrifices have to be made. Those late night parties, pack up anytime holidays, sleep in late are first to go. Govt can offer lots of perks but having kids is a lifelong committment. No matter what carrot is dangling in front of me, 2 is more than enough especially the education stage which is killing. :?:

[limlim]

pirate:

The more interesting question is why was Mr Mohamed Saif Mohamed Salleh's application to register his children as Singapore citizens not successful? Maybe somebody thinks we already have too many children who are citizens?

I don't feel there is any problem with it.. If the kids are male, they will get their citizenship after or before NS.

Apparently, that Mr Salleh is not a citizen. How committed they are to SG is a question..

[limlim]

pirate:

But the people I know the norm is less than six months. 5 years to get PR for spouse is not the norm.

just curious.. those \"people\" that you know, do they happen to be civil servants, grassroots? PA etc..?

[pirate]

limlim:

Apparently, that Mr Salleh is not a citizen. How committed they are to SG is a question..

I don't know, it's not clear from the report. But I read it as apparently Mr Salleh is a Singapore citizen. If Mr Salleh is not a citizen, then the attempt to get his children registered as citizens is a non-starter. But if he is a citizen, then there must be some reason that is not reported. I am just lamenting Singapore journalism here. :razz:

The people I know are not civil servants, grassroots or PA etc. But the SC husbands (ie. sponsors) are all university graduates, and include lawyers, bankers, business executives etc. The wives have passports from Japan, S Korea, UK, Malaysia etc.

Must say I don't know anyone who applied who is a hawker, cleaner, taxi driver etc, or whose wife hold passports from places like Philippines, Vietnam, Cambodia etc.

[limlim]

If any of the parent is a SC, the child will be SC. No need to apply at all. Unless, they explicitly rejected the citizenship earlier.


I’m not too sure abt the case if the parent is subsequently converted to SC, but then, they should still be able to apply based on citizenship by descent.

That’s why I said apparently neither of the parent is a citizen.

Or, like what you said… some info not released…