PSLE 2012 - Results Discussion

[clay569]

MeKiasuLeh:

wonderm:

[quote=\"ruohoo97\"]I read from other threads,(?) one parent suggested the possible reason this year having many scorers >265-276 is the easy papers, which cannot differentiate the high ability students. I tend to agree with this view.

If you look at the T-score computation formular, you would realize it is the opposite. When the papers are more difficult, the difference between the average mark and the very high marks are bigger, that will result in a higher top T-score (and more people having very high T-scores) compared to other years with easier papers. Whether the papers are hard or easy, the mean T-score should be the same, around 200.

@wonderm is correct that the mean T-score should be around 200. Read page 11 of this PDF document http://www.edgefieldpri.moe.edu.sg/wbn/slot/u2208/Parents_Link/Understanding%20PSLE%20T-scores.pdf[/quote]The percentage of quality passes (A and A*) for Chinese is 80.7% for 2011 psle. In relation to the bell curve, that means the population mean is probably in the range of 165/200?? That seems really high. And most students get that for Chinese???

Besides, then the std deviation will also be lower than other subjects by virtue that most data are squeezed within A/A* range. That means Chinese has a smaller effect on overall Tscore and thus less effect on differentiating the students?

What do you all think?

[Coolkidsrock2]

Desserts:

Those in the 23x range also went down. But my dd 's Malay friends did exceptionally well.

Hi cool kids, dh went to tkgs this morn, a hod said dd has no chance, partly because dd is not v active in cca and she has nothing much to showcase, exc a grade 3 piano cert. dd is a quiet person, So there goes tk.. Nw, we are thinking abt hai sing cat also.
Tks enoawng for shedding light about the mean score.

Hi Desserts, we were in TKGS and TKSS this morning. DD was active in CCA but not one offered by them so chances not high. There were some there, am guessing they are looking to appeal based on the questions asked.

[bupashu]

lotus123:

Learning Lab charges $1000 per subject per mth and they only accept students who come in the first 10% in their sch exams. my colleague's son was rejected as he was not from his school's top class.

if the colleague's son is from the second class of NYPS, TLL will still take in

[sinoboy]

clay569:

MeKiasuLeh:

[quote=\"wonderm\"]

If you look at the T-score computation formular, you would realize it is the opposite. When the papers are more difficult, the difference between the average mark and the very high marks are bigger, that will result in a higher top T-score (and more people having very high T-scores) compared to other years with easier papers. Whether the papers are hard or easy, the mean T-score should be the same, around 200.

@wonderm is correct that the mean T-score should be around 200. Read page 11 of this PDF document http://www.edgefieldpri.moe.edu.sg/wbn/slot/u2208/Parents_Link/Understanding%20PSLE%20T-scores.pdf

The percentage of quality passes (A and A*) for Chinese is 80.7% for 2011 psle. In relation to the bell curve, that means the population mean is probably in the range of 165/200?? That seems really high. And most students get that for Chinese???

Besides, then the std deviation will also be lower than other subjects by virtue that most data are squeezed within A/A* range. That means Chinese has a smaller effect on overall Tscore and thus less effect on differentiating the students?

What do you all think?[/quote]It may be a multimodal distribution tweaked such that T scores are grouped into different classes of students. If this makes sense. :scratchhead:

[AtoZ]

***EVERY SCHOOL IS A GOOD SCHOOL***


It is possible! Make every secondary school as same (facilities, opportunities etc) as RI, maybe even use the same name....Then no one needs tuition 冲for psle and all entered happily. :imcool:

[SAHM_TAN]

I don't know if kids from RI don't go for tuition leh. :siam:

[Augmum]

BlurBerry:

enoawng:

My understanding is that the grades are based on the raw scores.
http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/parliamentary-replies/2010/07/reveal-psle-raw-scores.php

Thus grades are not normalized.

You just made my dd super duper happy. She just ran out of the room shouting \"Yay Yay Yay...\" and flapping her arms like crazy.

Reason? She's never gotten an A for English and Maths in school exams but got A for PSLE. I thought it was based on that adjusted scored (for calculating T-score). So now she's really really happy that she managed to do better than usual.

Please be informed that the marks for subject grades, A (or any other grades) in PSLE is DIFFERENT
from the marks specified in school exams.

That means grade A * is not necessary from 91 and grade A is not necessary from 75-90....and so forth....

[paranoidgirl]

I was so surprised when I received my results slip. I was expecting somewhere between a 190 to 200 and I performed much better than expected. I think I’m somewhat demoralised because in my school’s examinations, I tend to get really bad grades and such

[sujatha]

janet_lee88:

MKK:

It's getting more and more difficult to accept the results. Students who were performing so much lesser than her has outperformed her tremendously. What is wrong? Is it just exam luck? Should I get the papers to be assessed?

It's difficult but still have to accept.
What or where went wrong? Nobody knows...appealing may lead to something worse...so accept our lot and move on. Luck just was not with us then...we have done our best and so has the children.

My daughter who was a consistent performer since P1 and was always on school top 3 until p4 and top 1 in P5 only scored 252 + 2. She works so hard every year sacrificing even her play time and holidays. Her score was very shocking to all of us as we all surely expected her to score 260 + 2 and to be among school top 3 as many students this year worked extremely hard. It took us 3 days to recover from this shock and I keep consoling myself telling that I want to appeal. My daughter keeps telling she did her exams well. My dd's mother tongue is Tamil. I am a layman when it comes to T score calculation.

1. Will my dd's tamil t-score be affected if the bottom most ranked girl or boy scored quite low?.
2. Is there any use of appealing as someone here said that ' what if something opposite happens' ?.

[jtoh]

sujatha:

janet_lee88:

[quote=\"MKK\"]It's getting more and more difficult to accept the results. Students who were performing so much lesser than her has outperformed her tremendously. What is wrong? Is it just exam luck? Should I get the papers to be assessed?

It's difficult but still have to accept.
What or where went wrong? Nobody knows...appealing may lead to something worse...so accept our lot and move on. Luck just was not with us then...we have done our best and so has the children.

My daughter who was a consistent performer since P1 and was always on school top 3 until p4 and top 1 in P5 only scored 252 + 2. She works so hard every year sacrificing even her play time and holidays. Her score was very shocking to all of us as we all surely expected her to score 260 + 2 and to be among school top 3 as many students this year worked extremely hard. It took us 3 days to recover from this shock and I keep consoling myself telling that I want to appeal. My daughter keeps telling she did her exams well. My dd's mother tongue is Tamil. I am a layman when it comes to T score calculation.

1. Will my dd's tamil t-score be affected if the bottom most ranked girl or boy scored quite low?.
2. Is there any use of appealing as someone here said that ' what if something opposite happens' ?.[/quote]1. No.
2. Appealing would just reveal the truth to you. It may be a better t-score or a lower one. You just have to accept the reality.