MOE to stop publishing names of top students?
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pirate:
What is scary is that Singapore seems to be heading towards the direction where anyone who does not achieve the level of success he or she desires (or for their children) can just blame it on the system or so-called 'unlevel playing field'. Seriously? I don't think they are going to find a playing field anywhere else in the world that is much more level than what we have here.
This new MOE directive only serves to push us further towards that direction.
Why don't we just scrap PSLE, O-levels, A-levels, IB altogether? It's too stressful and the playing field is never level because the well-to-do will have the resources to give their kids an advantage. Heck, let's scrap university degrees while we are at it. Just give anybody who applies the job they want. And if the number of hopeful applicants exceed the number of vacancies, we can always ballot. At the least, the playing field will be fully 'level'.
Oh, wait. That's not fair too. If the rich get sick, they can afford to go overseas to consult a real doctor...
Sigh sigh sigh.... -
Twinkies:
Well, maybe in the near future we can look forward to such blissful lives. :boogie:CayennePepper:
[quote=\"BeContented\"]
Good point.
Without LKY, probably we won't even have this GEP/DSA/IP issues to consider. Most of us will probably not be as educated as we are now. Can even look over our shoulders & rejoice over our less stressful, less competitive life.
Haha, yes, indeed, CayennePepper, :imanangel: it'd be so blissful that me/my children would be the smartest of all in the neighborhood, but then again, those below still would complain and lobbying for the bar to be lowered, yet again (?)
Then, one day we will be blissfully look around SG that ALL OF
US ARE IN THE SAME INTELLIGENCE LEVEL, no one is smarter than the other, so peace with all (?)
It's like Marxism Education System ? and the eventual attainment of a classless society (?)[/quote]断章取义,只根据自己的理解或需要截取片断或部分. 悟透不出原意呢?还是没有意识？ :sad: :faint: -
ruohoo97:
Once upon a time, our Education system caters for children from all walks of life ranging from hawkers, politician to millionaires. Differences in wealth has never been a factor that dictate how well you do. Sadly, it has been a factor today. Nanyang has become an elite school n there is no diversity now.\"My friends included the children of hawkers as well as of millionaires. Differences in wealth never bothered us. That I think is a good thing.\"
--Lee Wei Ling
Agree!
Why must group all the students with similar ability in one school? As such, nanyang has become an elite school and students mostly from similar background.
Honestly, I shouldnt have complained about it as my dc has benefited and will continue to enjoy the privilege from the current system if nothing has changed!
However, is it correct？ privilege is not going to help them and can weaken them. I may jeopardize my dc's future by calling for a change.
至少他能理直气壮,活得坦坦荡荡。
该面对，就面对。当承受的，应当承受！
拥有牺牲小我，完成大我的精神。
This makes them tougher and I'm still a proud mother! -
SAHM_TAN:
I used to think like you and my ears were shut and not listening n went all the way to brush people off. When I open my ears, my hearts open. I open to the world that I have never been.I keep reading abt envy mindset.
I'm curious, parents who are not agreeable to DSA, GEP, are you jealous? -
I only read the last few pages of this thread and saw that there’s some discussion on GEP and would like to share how I feel as well.
GEP is not the thing causing all the stress at psle. What’s making psle so stressful is the high stakes involved. If you get into an IP school, your JC, and a good one too, would more or less be taken care of. If there’s any removal to be suggested, I say remove DSA and IP.
If you have seen or been in contact with the Geppers, you will know that these are kids truly different from your average intelligent kids. Their intelligence is innate. They need to be taught at a different, more advanced pace. The reason why GEP is started is to cater to these children’s needs for intellectual stimulation at a much higher level. They were bored with the normal lessons, that’s why GEP was started. Without GEP, these children’s intellectual talents would not have been recognized. So GEP should not be scrapped.
I was alittle disappointed that my kid didn’t get into the programme. ‘A little’ because deep down inside, I knew she wasn’t the top one percent, yet I had hoped she could get in to enjoy all the benefits that come with the programme ie. the small class size, more attention, dsa, more ‘love’ from everybody else etc.
But I know that these gifted kids do deserve what they are getting, simply because they are born that way and have the potential to be the cream of the crop in our society. That would also mean that they could handle things and process information more quickly, at a more advanced level, when they become surgeons and lawyers.
To me, those who call for GEP to be scrapped is really sour-grape mentality. Either that or they really have no idea what GEP is all about. Even if the kids are trained at P4 for psle, they deserve to be because P4 stuff is too simple for them. You want your own kid to be trained for psle at P4? Make sure your kid can handle it first. From what I know, some Geppers are even doing sec one and two maths at P6, because P6 stuff is too simple for them already! So it’s no wonder they ace at psle. For what our kids are struggling at, they already mastered it. They do deserve the high scores.
It’s true that alot of these kids get more exposure to stuff, and early too, because their parents have the money. Then earn more money and give the same exposure and opportunities to your own kids. If you can’t afford to, like me, who’s to blame? -
david59:
Since you work with these foreign students a lot, can you confirm what I heard about Hwa Chong JC having special affiliation to certain top unis in China, and that is why they are all concentrated in Hwa Chong JC, where all HCI and NYGS foreign students want to go?I give free tuition to low income family at a charitable organisation. From time to time, students from Rgs and Hwa Chong come to do CIP. Most of the students from Rgs are Singaporeans while those from hwa Chong, 6 JC students are all from China n here on scholarship since secondary school days.
Just for comparison which schools most of the foreign students go to.
RGS/RI probably has a mix of foreign students. -
DSA is meant to search for Talents. GEP domain should scrap off.
Just scrap everything such as Best Airlines, Best Teachers, Miss Universe, Miss World, Richest person, Most powerful women, Best Entrepreneur, Best Employee, Best Salesman, etc
The committee members sat in the decision making to stop publishing names have small hearts. How can a MP has a small heart? He has travelled round the world, his mind is like frog in the well. -
rains:
Think you miss the point. It's not about envy or sour grapes. Re-read the pages carefully.I only read the last few pages of this thread and saw that there's some discussion on GEP and would like to share how I feel as well.
GEP is not the thing causing all the stress at psle. What's making psle so stressful is the high stakes involved. If you get into an IP school, your JC, and a good one too, would more or less be taken care of. If there's any removal to be suggested, I say remove DSA and IP.
If you have seen or been in contact with the Geppers, you will know that these are kids truly different from your average intelligent kids. Their intelligence is innate. They need to be taught at a different, more advanced pace. The reason why GEP is started is to cater to these children's needs for intellectual stimulation at a much higher level. They were bored with the normal lessons, that's why GEP was started. Without GEP, these children's intellectual talents would not have been recognized. So GEP should not be scrapped.
I was alittle disappointed that my kid didn't get into the programme. 'A little' because deep down inside, I knew she wasn't the top one percent, yet I had hoped she could get in to enjoy all the benefits that come with the programme ie. the small class size, more attention, dsa, more 'love' from everybody else etc.
But I know that these gifted kids do deserve what they are getting, simply because they are born that way and have the potential to be the cream of the crop in our society. That would also mean that they could handle things and process information more quickly, at a more advanced level, when they become surgeons and lawyers.
To me, those who call for GEP to be scrapped is really sour-grape mentality. Either that or they really have no idea what GEP is all about. Even if the kids are trained at P4 for psle, they deserve to be because P4 stuff is too simple for them. You want your own kid to be trained for psle at P4? Make sure your kid can handle it first. From what I know, some Geppers are even doing sec one and two maths at P6, because P6 stuff is too simple for them already! So it's no wonder they ace at psle. For what our kids are struggling at, they already mastered it. They do deserve the high scores.
It's true that alot of these kids get more exposure to stuff, and early too, because their parents have the money. Then earn more money and give the same exposure and opportunities to your own kids. If you can't afford to, like me, who's to blame?
GEP is a great program to discover local talents, but now it have changed and evolved to become a loophole for the lesser 'gifted' or newcomers to gain an advantage then something should be done about it. Same goes for policies such as DSA for academic, IP program, and lowing of academic levels for foreign students joining our system. My personal opinion is that my paid taxes should support locals.
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sinoboy:
Think you miss the point. It's not about envy or sour grapes. Re-read the pages carefully.
GEP is a great program to discover local talents, but now it have changed and evolved to become a loophole for the lesser 'gifted' or newcomers to gain an advantage then something should be done about it. Same goes for policies such as DSA for academic, IP program, and lowing of academic levels for foreign students joining our system. My personal opinion is that my paid taxes should support locals.
I agree with you.
This coming years, our education system has been evaded with FT. GEP programme is using Taxpayers money to support the programme.
Similar NUS scholarship, wasting tax payers money to support sex maniac and ungrateful brat who called us 'dogs'. -
sinoboy:
If a few are exploiting should the system be scrapped ? Should the majority of gifted suffer because we want to keep out the few?
Think you miss the point. It's not about envy or sour grapes. Re-read the pages carefully.rains:
I only read the last few pages of this thread and saw that there's some discussion on GEP and would like to share how I feel as well.
GEP is not the thing causing all the stress at psle. What's making psle so stressful is the high stakes involved. If you get into an IP school, your JC, and a good one too, would more or less be taken care of. If there's any removal to be suggested, I say remove DSA and IP.
If you have seen or been in contact with the Geppers, you will know that these are kids truly different from your average intelligent kids. Their intelligence is innate. They need to be taught at a different, more advanced pace. The reason why GEP is started is to cater to these children's needs for intellectual stimulation at a much higher level. They were bored with the normal lessons, that's why GEP was started. Without GEP, these children's intellectual talents would not have been recognized. So GEP should not be scrapped.
I was alittle disappointed that my kid didn't get into the programme. 'A little' because deep down inside, I knew she wasn't the top one percent, yet I had hoped she could get in to enjoy all the benefits that come with the programme ie. the small class size, more attention, dsa, more 'love' from everybody else etc.
But I know that these gifted kids do deserve what they are getting, simply because they are born that way and have the potential to be the cream of the crop in our society. That would also mean that they could handle things and process information more quickly, at a more advanced level, when they become surgeons and lawyers.
To me, those who call for GEP to be scrapped is really sour-grape mentality. Either that or they really have no idea what GEP is all about. Even if the kids are trained at P4 for psle, they deserve to be because P4 stuff is too simple for them. You want your own kid to be trained for psle at P4? Make sure your kid can handle it first. From what I know, some Geppers are even doing sec one and two maths at P6, because P6 stuff is too simple for them already! So it's no wonder they ace at psle. For what our kids are struggling at, they already mastered it. They do deserve the high scores.
It's true that alot of these kids get more exposure to stuff, and early too, because their parents have the money. Then earn more money and give the same exposure and opportunities to your own kids. If you can't afford to, like me, who's to blame?
GEP is a great program to discover local talents, but now it have changed and evolved to become a loophole for the lesser 'gifted' or newcomers to gain an advantage then something should be done about it. Same goes for policies such as DSA for academic, IP program, and lowing of academic levels for foreign students joining our system. My personal opinion is that my paid taxes should support locals.
The point is all talk with out numbers is meaning less.
No need for concrete numbers , atleast just rough figures . Like 20-30 percent are thru intensive gep prep, etc would show a rough picture atleast. All here so far state based on their circle of acquaintance .Which is like at the max 25 students students in all over a few years ( ok this is my guess since no one is stating any numbers. ) A very tiny circle if one considers that there are over 400 geppers each year. And how much of that is thru quality interraction with these kids and how much of it is hearsay?
It is a fact that when you take a very small sample, it is not representative of the whole. Statiscs fail when you consider very small numbers. If i flip a coin 10 times, I could get heads 8 times. However if I flip a coin 10000 times , I can bet you i will not get heads more than 6000 times.
Since you many parents feel so strongly, can some one tabulate? No one wants to state a number. Pardon me, that to me says they are confident the numbers dont speak in their favour.
IMO, I think GEP teachers are the one well positioned to give some numbers and opinions. They have been trained and closely interact with a large variety of students over the years.
Of course as parents, laypersons, we can have our poinions, but , pardon me, it is a travesty to assume our opinions are representative of facts.
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