MOE to stop publishing names of top students?
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CayennePepper:
Twinkies:
Discrimination, not limited to the Über, for someone gravely discriminating the GEPPERs, I wonder what's their dictionary says about \"discrimination\" .
I don't hear discrimination coming from Geppers or their parents.
It's the other way round, rather.
Exactly.... those whom discriminate, are the ones that are crying out loud that they are being discriminated ? :imconstipated: -
At the end of all these discussion , my main wish is that there must be fairness in the spreading of resources and teachers to all students. If necessary, more helps for the weaker ones. I always tell parents that it is easier for me to teach 5 bright kids than 1 blurred sotong.
Finland is not necessarily a good model to follow because of our Asian culture? Is producinging more special education teachers to help the weaker students improve up the academic ladder not a good thing to aim for? What does this have to do with culture? It ought to be the universal value of every good human being n high institutions of learning to be gracious towards the weak, the poor, the downtrodden, simply because they r powerless to swim against the current of achievements unless a helping hand is extended to them.
This is the problem of our Singapore society’s mindset. We place so high a premium on excellence n meritocracy such that those at the lowest rung of the scale r often left out. Even the helps given tend to be lacklustre.
And it is in our educational system that I feel is not a system that flows out of graciousness. We proudly show to the world that it is based on Meritocracy. What is Meritocracy? It is an advancement given to a person on the basis of that person’s ability or competency. When I see top students given greater resources n teachers to excel at the expense of the greater need of the weaker students, is this meritocratic? Real meritocracy in this case should be the advancement of better student based on his own effort, not so with extra privileged help.
How much value do we attach to a ‘nobody’ in our myopic eyes? Even the least talented human has something he or she can offer to the country; a cleaner should be given more respect because he is willing to do a job that you n I might be too proud to do.
Some of you may not agree with my view. It is ok. I am here signing off from this thread after learning many valuable insights from all of you. God bless ur children. -
david59:
:goodpost: :goodpost: :goodpost:At the end of all these discussion , my main wish is that there must be fairness in the spreading of resources and teachers to all students. If necessary, more helps for the weaker ones. I always tell parents that it is easier for me to teach 5 bright kids than 1 blurred sotong.
Finland is not necessarily a good model to follow because of our Asian culture? Is producinging more special education teachers to help the weaker students improve up the academic ladder not a good thing to aim for? What does this have to do with culture? It ought to be the universal value of every good human being n high institutions of learning to be gracious towards the weak, the poor, the downtrodden, simply because they r powerless to swim against the current of achievements unless a helping hand is extended to them.
This is the problem of our Singapore society's mindset. We place so high a premium on excellence n meritocracy such that those at the lowest rung of the scale r often left out. Even the helps given tend to be lacklustre.
And it is in our educational system that I feel is not a system that flows out of graciousness. We proudly show to the world that it is based on Meritocracy. What is Meritocracy? It is an advancement given to a person on the basis of that person's ability or competency. When I see top students given greater resources n teachers to excel at the expense of the greater need of the weaker students, is this meritocratic?Real meritocracy in this case should be the advancement of better student based on his own effort, not so with extra privileged help.
How much value do we attach to a 'nobody' in our myopic eyes? Even the least talented human has something he or she can offer to the country; a cleaner should be given more respect because he is willing to do a job that you n I might be too proud to do.
Some of you may not agree with my view. It is ok. I am here signing off from this thread after learning many valuable insights from all of you. God bless ur children. -
Twinkies:
CayennePepper:
[quote=\"Twinkies\"]Discrimination, not limited to the Über, for someone gravely discriminating the GEPPERs, I wonder what's their dictionary says about \"discrimination\" .
I don't hear discrimination coming from Geppers or their parents.
It's the other way round, rather.
Exactly.... those whom discriminate, are the ones that are crying out loud that they are being discriminated ? :imconstipated:[/quote]As I have said earlier, there is unhappiness about the current situation not only from mainstream parents, but also from parents of Geppers. Please avoid statements like these that can easily be construed as inflammatory when directed at entire groups of people. The discussion so far is highly constructive because there is mutual respect for everyone's points. We would very much like to keep it this way.
Thank you. -
pirate:
A \"round\" person will forever remain \"round\". It is nature's-gift. That is why we have school dropouts becoming successful businessman. Of course there are those who become great con man. They are born round but had polished their curvature through a different path.atutor2001:
There are many \"round\" people in the mainstream. Some may even be better than those in GEP or IP. They did not make it because of attitude - no desire to excel.
No, my concern is that the O-level schools will try to hammer my round kid into a square hole. And if by some miracle my round kid emerges from the square hole to get into a 'top' IP JC, the school will then spend the next two years unsquaring my otherwise rounder than round kid.
The other concern is that my round kid has to go through all these shape contorting exercises only because he/she did not manage to get into a primary school with a through train to a top IP JC.
My only consolation is that RI(JC) does not have an affiliated primary school... :razz: Does it?
And we know about the sacrifices. Last I heard, it is called external tuition and enrichment courses. :razz: :razz: :razz:
Imo, not all IP school can value-add to the roundness as perceived in this thread. So no point wasting energy getting into just any IP (unless to avoid O level).
Tuition, :moneyflies: is definitely a form of sacrifice. However, it is not the sacrifice that I have in mind. It should be spending time to bring up, motivate, influence our children, starting from little babies/toddles. It will be too late by Pr school age. However, many outsource to maids and later to tutors. Need to work, no time, tired, can't teach are just excuses. I have gone through the process. Spending money on tuition will never match the sacrifice made in finding time to bring up our children. However, the reward is long-term. Non of my kids have tuition. We taught them only during Pr and they were on their own after that. I don't see them losing out to those contemporaries who have tuition for nearly everything. If I need to redo it again, I will still do it the same way. -
Thank you for reminding.. .. the GEPPER!
:slapshead:
I'm curious if statements like this are considered inflammatory, since it appears to be directed at an entire group of people? -
CayennePepper:
Yes. That is inflammatory too.Thank you for reminding.. .. the GEPPER!
:slapshead:
I'm curious if statements like this are considered inflammatory, since it appears to be directed at an entire group of people? -
sinoboy:
These ASEAN scholars raise the bar. Ask the the sec 3, 4 students in IP schools. They spur the locals to work harder, because not only are they smarter , they are also hard working. And our bright ones who have been thinking that they are creme de la creme realize that by global standards, even ASEAN standards they are more capable people around. L
That is why I fail to understand why recruit foreign students when the top/IP JCs can take in more local ones. Locals ones can pick up HOT skills in a short time right?him4mixer:
Sorry, enrolment statistics wise I’ve nothing much to share.
MOE will give each JC different number of scholars (some schools have more than others). There is a possible fixed quota for govt school but for independent ones we are more flexible. Usually we will go overseas and recruit foreign students on top of those already given to us by MOE. How many we recruit will depend on the capacity of the facilities in the school.
At sec school, Sec 3 ASEAN scholars taken in at top/IP sec schools. Local ones also need the places right?
No that there is no capacity to take in more local students.
Wonder who paid for the recruitment? :scratchhead:
You may feel that it is a waste of tax money, I don't . It is short sighted to think that 10 seats for asean scholars could have been filled by 10 locals. It takes insight to think the long term and beyond the obvious. -
Sun_2010:
These ASEAN scholars raise the bar. Ask the the sec 3, 4 students in IP schools. They spur the locals to work harder, because not only are they smarter , they are also hard working. And our bright ones who have been thinking that they are creme de la creme realize that by global standards, even ASEAN standards they are more capable people around. L
That is why I fail to understand why recruit foreign students when the top/IP JCs can take in more local ones. Locals ones can pick up HOT skills in a short time right?sinoboy:
[quote=\"him4mixer\"]Sorry, enrolment statistics wise I’ve nothing much to share.
MOE will give each JC different number of scholars (some schools have more than others). There is a possible fixed quota for govt school but for independent ones we are more flexible. Usually we will go overseas and recruit foreign students on top of those already given to us by MOE. How many we recruit will depend on the capacity of the facilities in the school.
At sec school, Sec 3 ASEAN scholars taken in at top/IP sec schools. Local ones also need the places right?
No that there is no capacity to take in more local students.
Wonder who paid for the recruitment? :scratchhead:
You may feel that it is a waste of tax money, I don't . It is short sighted to think that 10 seats for asean scholars could have been filled by 10 locals. It takes insight to think the long term and beyond the obvious.[/quote]that makes the difference between a policy maker and a whiner who refuses to acknowledge the truth but prefer to bury the head in the sand -
atutor2001:
A \"round\" person will forever remain \"round\". It is nature's-gift. That is why we have school dropouts becoming successful businessman. Of course there are those who become great con man. They are born round but had polished their curvature through a different path.pirate:
[quote=\"atutor2001\"]There are many \"round\" people in the mainstream. Some may even be better than those in GEP or IP. They did not make it because of attitude - no desire to excel.
No, my concern is that the O-level schools will try to hammer my round kid into a square hole. And if by some miracle my round kid emerges from the square hole to get into a 'top' IP JC, the school will then spend the next two years unsquaring my otherwise rounder than round kid.
The other concern is that my round kid has to go through all these shape contorting exercises only because he/she did not manage to get into a primary school with a through train to a top IP JC.
My only consolation is that RI(JC) does not have an affiliated primary school... :razz: Does it?
And we know about the sacrifices. Last I heard, it is called external tuition and enrichment courses. :razz: :razz: :razz:
Imo, not all IP school can value-add to the roundness as perceived in this thread. So no point wasting energy getting into just any IP (unless to avoid O level).
Tuition, :moneyflies: is definitely a form of sacrifice. However, it is not the sacrifice that I have in mind. It should be spending time to bring up, motivate, influence our children, starting from little babies/toddles. It will be too late by Pr school age. However, many outsource to maids and later to tutors. Need to work, no time, tired, can't teach are just excuses. I have gone through the process. Spending money on tuition will never match the sacrifice made in finding time to bring up our children. However, the reward is long-term. Non of my kids have tuition. We taught them only during Pr and they were on their own after that. I don't see them losing out to those contemporaries who have tuition for nearly everything. If I need to redo it again, I will still do it the same way.[/quote]No, no, no. My comment about sacrifice was in relation to what you said, which was omitted in your response:atutor2001 also:
Surely, the \"sacrifice\" you mentioned means the sacrifice made by the students, not the parents.Imho, most misconception that IP children have an unfair advantage arises because we only read about success. Little was published on the hard work that they (don't count those truly gifted - they are from another planet) need to put in. We can only see our kids working hard, producing results (in our opinion, more than adequate) and felt that they deserve to be there. Maybe parents with children doing well should share more on how much effort their kids have put in order to be there. Then we can compare the sacrifice made and not just the results.
I can concede that some round ones \"did not make it because of attitude - no desire to excel\". But others may not have made it because the selection process was flawed. Saying that they \"did not make it because of attitude - no desire to excel\" is poppycock.
I said it is a systemic failure because if the kid scores 1 point less than the COP, the kid is deprived of any opportunity to be taught those HOT in school for 4 whole years in the O-levels schools - HOT which he or she needs to be equipped with in order to tackle A-levels. In truth, we know that the one (or even a few) point difference could very well be due to nothing more than pure dumb luck.
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