MOE to stop publishing names of top students?
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pirate:
I don't think we can split the schools up in such distinct 2 camps. I would like to think of it as a spectrum of schools. While more HOT skills trainings are carried out in the IP schools, there could be differences between different IP schools. On the other hand, I believe it is not true that ALL O Level schools do not provide any HOT training throughout 4 years.
I said it is a systemic failure because if the kid scores 1 point less than the COP, the kid is deprived of any opportunity to be taught those HOT in school for 4 whole years in the O-levels schools - HOT which he or she needs to be equipped with in order to tackle A-levels. In truth, we know that the one (or even a few) point difference could very well be due to nothing more than pure dumb luck.
Of course, I understand what you are saying regarding the difference a few points of T-score make. That is why PSLE is seen as such a high stake exam. It is therefore important to allow some moving/switching along the way so no deserving child should be locked out of the system due to just one set-back. -
bupashu:
that makes the difference between a policy maker and a whiner who refuses to acknowledge the truth but prefer to bury the head in the sand[/quote]Honor to have policy makers and minister minds here with us in this small forum. OK since so many Miniminds here, tap your ministerial thinking. Perhaps you got a perfectly logical explanation why MOE didn't want to release the name of the top student. Don't tell me to release stress from exams hor. :scratchhead:
These ASEAN scholars raise the bar. Ask the the sec 3, 4 students in IP schools. They spur the locals to work harder, because not only are they smarter , they are also hard working. And our bright ones who have been thinking that they are creme de la creme realize that by global standards, even ASEAN standards they are more capable people around. LSun_2010:
[quote=\"sinoboy\"]
That is why I fail to understand why recruit foreign students when the top/IP JCs can take in more local ones. Locals ones can pick up HOT skills in a short time right?
At sec school, Sec 3 ASEAN scholars taken in at top/IP sec schools. Local ones also need the places right?
No that there is no capacity to take in more local students.
Wonder who paid for the recruitment? :scratchhead:
You may feel that it is a waste of tax money, I don't . It is short sighted to think that 10 seats for asean scholars could have been filled by 10 locals. It takes insight to think the long term and beyond the obvious. -
sinoboy:
Honor to have policy makers and minister minds here with us in this small forum. OK since so many Miniminds here, tap your ministerial thinking. Perhaps you got a perfectly logical explanation why MOE didn't want to release the name of the top student. Don't tell me to release stress from exams hor. :scratchhead:[/quote]Sorry, can't resist this. :evil:
that makes the difference between a policy maker and a whiner who refuses to acknowledge the truth but prefer to bury the head in the sandbupashu:
[quote=\"Sun_2010\"]
These ASEAN scholars raise the bar. Ask the the sec 3, 4 students in IP schools. They spur the locals to work harder, because not only are they smarter , they are also hard working. And our bright ones who have been thinking that they are creme de la creme realize that by global standards, even ASEAN standards they are more capable people around. L
You may feel that it is a waste of tax money, I don't . It is short sighted to think that 10 seats for asean scholars could have been filled by 10 locals. It takes insight to think the long term and beyond the obvious.
Answer from the real minister:
Why has MOE stopped releasing top scorers for national exams?
https://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#!/notes/heng-swee-keat/why-has-moe-stopped-releasing-top-scorers-for-national-exams/466910400014157 -
Melodies:
We only have people, no other resources. So, no choice, our human resources must be able to match those in Korean, Japan, China....to survive. It's well known that the competition in their education system is much more scarier than ours. Their academic level is also higher. Despite our effort to catch up, I think our technical know-how is still lagging behind.....
Could you share why you think we may not have a choice but to raise the A level standard if we compare with other Asian countries?
Those scholars went oversea, did they find bored?
I don't think our scholars will find it boring overseas. Though I have very little exposure to overseas uni but my perception is that \"thinking\" is always encouraged. This is a real incident told by someone close to me : When he approach his prof to find out what was the project, the answer is \"you decide it\". If this happens locally, the conclusion is that the prof is being lazy. The student will immediately go for a project where he knows how to wayang and put up a good report. He probably already know the solution. However, over there, one better decides carefully. The prof is giving the freedom to think and decide carefully what is most relevant or exciting. The student will probably pick something that is current, interesting and he/she is passionate about. Not what is easiest to complete with \"predetermined answer\". This is an example of how difference in culture will change the effect when the same method of education is applied. In JC, PW was to encourage thinking, exercising initiative... It becomes a joke when teachers vetted and re-drafted the reports for their students - an open secret. (another example) -
ChiefKiasu:
As I have said earlier, there is unhappiness about the current situation not only from mainstream parents, but also from parents of Geppers. Please avoid statements like these that can easily be construed as inflammatory when directed at entire groups of people. The discussion so far is highly constructive because there is mutual respect for everyone's points. We would very much like to keep it this way.Twinkies:
[quote=\"CayennePepper\"]
I don't hear discrimination coming from Geppers or their parents.
It's the other way round, rather.
Exactly.... those whom discriminate, are the ones that are crying out loud that they are being discriminated ? :imconstipated:
Thank you.[/quote]It is painful to be told the truth. People get very defensive and abuses starts coming up especially when those who that have benefited from an exploit is uncovered and attempts are made to close off the exploits.
Talk about GEP, GEPpers parents starts to say my kid is smart what. Talk about DSA, they say fair what just a bit slow only. Talk about ASEAN scholar, because we Singaporeans no brains...
This is but a very small sample of the defensive voices. Wait till the parents come back from their year end holidays.
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wonderm:
That is official reasoning. But I want to hear the opinions informally from the policy makers here. They seemed very knowledgeable.
Sorry, can't resist this. :evil:
Answer from the real minister:
Why has MOE stopped releasing top scorers for national exams?
https://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#!/notes/heng-swee-keat/why-has-moe-stopped-releasing-top-scorers-for-national-exams/466910400014157
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pirate:
My apology for my self-confusion. Anyway, one of my nephews missed not by 1 point to RI, but by the decimal places. Went to the school of the 2nd choice but still end up in RI for the JC - with the right attitude, the chance is there. I have mentioned earlier that the value added by IP is really not that great. I would like to elaborate that it is the environment (i.e. the culture) of that IP school that is important. Somehow, the students help to push each other to perform.No, no, no. My comment about sacrifice was in relation to what you said, which was omitted in your response:
Surely, the \"sacrifice\" you mentioned means the sacrifice made by the students, not the parents.atutor2001 also:
Imho, most misconception that IP children have an unfair advantage arises because we only read about success. Little was published on the hard work that they (don't count those truly gifted - they are from another planet) need to put in. We can only see our kids working hard, producing results (in our opinion, more than adequate) and felt that they deserve to be there. Maybe parents with children doing well should share more on how much effort their kids have put in order to be there. Then we can compare the sacrifice made and not just the results.
I can concede that some round ones \"did not make it because of attitude - no desire to excel\". But others may not have made it because the selection process was flawed. Saying that they \"did not make it because of attitude - no desire to excel\" is poppycock.
I said it is a systemic failure because if the kid scores 1 point less than the COP, the kid is deprived of any opportunity to be taught those HOT in school for 4 whole years in the O-levels schools - HOT which he or she needs to be equipped with in order to tackle A-levels. In truth, we know that the one (or even a few) point difference could very well be due to nothing more than pure dumb luck.
Just something interesting on how \"hard\" these kids had \"worked\". After today's A level Chem paper, most them straight away know that 6 of the MCQ questions were \"repeats\" from past year papers with exactly the same values. (is that HOT or ...) -
sinoboy:
It is painful to be told the truth. People get very defensive and abuses starts coming up especially when those who that have benefited from an exploit is uncovered and attempts are made to close off the exploits.ChiefKiasu:
As I have said earlier, there is unhappiness about the current situation not only from mainstream parents, but also from parents of Geppers. Please avoid statements like these that can easily be construed as inflammatory when directed at entire groups of people. The discussion so far is highly constructive because there is mutual respect for everyone's points. We would very much like to keep it this way.
Thank you.
Talk about GEP, GEPpers parents starts to say my kid is smart what. Talk about DSA, they say fair what just a bit slow only. Talk about ASEAN scholar, because we Singaporeans no brains...
This is but a very small sample of the defensive voices. Wait till the parents come back from their year end holidays.
You mistaken what he'd said... try again. -
wonderm:
On the other hand, I believe it is not true that ALL O Level schools do not provide any HOT training throughout 4 years.
What? As a parent (or a 12 year old for that matter), I am supposed to tikam-tikam which, if any, O-level school provides HOT training, is it? Is that how it is supposed to work? -
I too believe that HOT is taught in some of the better O level schools. Maybe not to the entire cohort but to its top class.
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