Learning Hanyu Pinyin

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sembgal:

parents will point the finger at the preschool for not teaching Hanyu Pinyin when the child moves on to Primary 1 and cannot cope with the Hanyu Pinyin syllabus. Thus, I set very high standards for my child to get the correct answer when I gave her Listening Hanyu Pinyin test. From this, I gauge that my child is not confident when it comes to the four pitch. At least I have 1 more year to brush up Hanyu Pinyin for my child. I will be glad to hear more tips from other parents too regarding guiding the child to learn Hanyu Pinyin.

sembgal,
may i know which hanyu pin yin book Title you using, to give your K2 child \"Listening Hanyu pinyin test\" ? is it useful so far ?

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Sunnybunny:

MOE is right not to allo teaching of hanyu pinyin. Chinese words have so many characters and you can't sound it out by looking at the word like English. Hanyu pinyin is useful to learn words that you don't know. At preschool, it is more important for children to learn to recognize the word. If your child can recognize say 1500 words in preschool, is there a need to learn hanyu pinyin? And if your child knows hanyu pinyin and the passage contains hanyu pinyin, will your child read the passage using hanyu pinyin or read by looking at the words? Do you see our daily newspapers with hanyu pinyin?

but realistically, if you purchase a copy of P1 Chinese schools ' Term test / exam papers, you'll realize that the bulk of P1 Chinese first half of the year test children on han yu pin yin, a substantial amount !

If start to learn hypy in P1 Term 1, isn't it late if a child can't cope with hypy ? if child struggle with hypy, so will the parents under stress by then under time constraint trying to help their child cope.

because not every P1 child will find hypy a breeze. Some can manage, some can't. Not all can manage. For those who got issue, is a matter of when u want to face the stress. Face it earlier now (when you still got time), or face it later in P1 when u under time constraint, plus the fact that you still got 2 more other subjects to handle (english, maths).

[sembgal]

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sembgal:

parents will point the finger at the preschool for not teaching Hanyu Pinyin when the child moves on to Primary 1 and cannot cope with the Hanyu Pinyin syllabus. Thus, I set very high standards for my child to get the correct answer when I gave her Listening Hanyu Pinyin test. From this, I gauge that my child is not confident when it comes to the four pitch. At least I have 1 more year to brush up Hanyu Pinyin for my child. I will be glad to hear more tips from other parents too regarding guiding the child to learn Hanyu Pinyin.

sembgal,
may i know which hanyu pin yin book Title you using, to give your K2 child \"Listening Hanyu pinyin test\" ? is it useful so far ?

I'm using A-Star Han Yu Pin Yin Magic Vol 1and 2 CD rom, 小一高级华文课文字词手册1A that comes with a CD Rom too, Pri 1 Chinese textbooks and workbooks for both normal and higher Chinese, Beijing enrichment centre HYPY notes, Berries HYPY notes as well as HYPY website. I sound a bit Kiasu but I have no choice as my child speaks in English only, tells me she is English people and not Chinese and she doesn't like Chinese, how can I not be worried as a mother. My only regret is I spoke to her purely in English since she was born. If I could reverse time, I would have chosen to communicate with her in both English and Mandarin.

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sembgal:

I'm using A-Star Han Yu Pin Yin Magic Vol 1and 2 CD rom, 小一高级华文课文字词手册1A that comes with a CD Rom too, Pri 1 Chinese textbooks and workbooks for both normal and higher Chinese, Beijing enrichment centre HYPY notes, Berries HYPY notes as well as HYPY website. I sound a bit Kiasu but I have no choice as my child speaks in English only, tells me she is English people and not Chinese and she doesn't like Chinese, how can I not be worried as a mother. My only regret is I spoke to her purely in English since she was born. If I could reverse time, I would have chosen to communicate with her in both English and Mandarin.

sembgal, Thanks for kind sharing.
is this the book with CD Rom ?
http://sapgrp.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=482

i had the same regret as you.
her Chinese pronounciation sounds like angmo, the tone all out.
I am having quite a difficult time teaching her han yu pin yin based on that Primary 1 Main Chinese textbook 1A, trying to correct her to pronounce the right tone for Chinese characters correctly.
If i can reverse time backward, i would have chosen to start communicating with her in Mandarin first. It's my fault.

[sembgal]

is this the book with CD Rom ?

http://sapgrp.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=482

Yes, that's the one. The primary 1 Higher Chinese (green) textbook and workbook remained unchanged. Only the normal Primary 1 Chinese (pink) textbook and workbook are the revised new version. I find the workbooks very colourful and is selling for less than $3 a book. A bargain indeed.

[schen]

Hi sembgal,


Is the textbook n work book you mentioned available at popular?

[sembgal]

schen:

Hi sembgal,


Is the textbook n work book you mentioned available at popular?

Yes. You can call Popular to confirm before you go to buy the books.

[zakashi]

My DS and DD are very good in h y p y except the tone that confuse them. Whether 1, 2, 3 or 4 tone. How to solve this?

[sembgal]

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sembgal:

I'm using A-Star Han Yu Pin Yin Magic Vol 1and 2 CD rom, 小一高级华文课文字词手册1A that comes with a CD Rom too, Pri 1 Chinese textbooks and workbooks for both normal and higher Chinese, Beijing enrichment centre HYPY notes, Berries HYPY notes as well as HYPY website. I sound a bit Kiasu but I have no choice as my child speaks in English only, tells me she is English people and not Chinese and she doesn't like Chinese, how can I not be worried as a mother. My only regret is I spoke to her purely in English since she was born. If I could reverse time, I would have chosen to communicate with her in both English and Mandarin.

sembgal, Thanks for kind sharing.
is this the book with CD Rom ?
http://sapgrp.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=482

i had the same regret as you.
her Chinese pronounciation sounds like angmo, the tone all out.
I am having quite a difficult time teaching her han yu pin yin based on that Primary 1 Main Chinese textbook 1A, trying to correct her to pronounce the right tone for Chinese characters correctly.
If i can reverse time backward, i would have chosen tod start communicating with her in Mandarin first. It's my fault.

Hi, I can empathise with you as I have been through what you are going through. My child used to speak with an English accent for Mandarin like ang mo accent. I introduced her to Chinese tv shows, Chinese news etc. She just needed to listen to more Chinese words played into her ears. She can be playing with her kitchen set and the background sound is in Chinese. I read so many Chinese stories to her. Thank goodness, the English accent disappears. It takes time indeed for this change.

[sembgal]

Sunnybunny:

phtthp:

[quote=\"Sunnybunny\"]
MOE is right not to allo teaching of hanyu pinyin. Chinese words have so many characters and you can't sound it out by looking at the word like English. Hanyu pinyin is useful to learn words that you don't know. At preschool, it is more important for children to learn to recognize the word. If your child can recognize say 1500 words in preschool, is there a need to learn hanyu pinyin? And if your child knows hanyu pinyin and the passage contains hanyu pinyin, will your child read the passage using hanyu pinyin or read by looking at the words? Do you see our daily newspapers with hanyu pinyin?

but realistically, if you purchase a copy of P1 Chinese schools ' Term test / exam papers, you'll realize that the bulk of P1 Chinese first half of the year test children on han yu pin yin, a substantial amount !

If start to learn hypy in P1 Term 1, isn't it late if a child can't cope with
hypy ? if child struggle with hypy, so will the parents under stress by then
under time constraint trying to help their child cope


Personally I don't agree with MOE for teaching hypy before a child recognizes enough words. My son is a victim of the system. First when he
was in K1K2 we sent him to PCF cos just below our home. Then i was a
main stream school teacher. I had no time to teach him. He hated Chinese
and me and hubby went to see his teacher, guess wat the teacher said?
\"aiya why learn Chinese, look at me, I know only Chinese, can only be
preschool teacher. \" so, with poor Chinese foundation, he went on to P1.
they started with hypy. So he started to read passages using hypy. If you cover the hypy he could not read. Until now, his Chinese is still very poor. He recognizes very few Chinese word. So mummy, don't get your child to learn hypy just to cope with P1 hypy. Let your child recognize as many
Chinese characters as possible. Not to worry too much about hypy. With this
conviction, I stress the importance of word recognition to my Chinese
teachers. I only allow my teachers to teach hypy from the 4 th term of K2 Our children are doing fine in P1. FYI I was educated in Chinese all the way from primary to university (Nanyang University), I did not know any hypy
until MOE introduced it.[/quote]Hi, I agree with you that it is important to recognise Chinese sight words. I must emphasise that teaching the child recognition of sight words is more important than Han Yu Pin Yin. For my own child, she can remember the sight words easily and has accumulated the basic sight words necessary for her before I introduced Han Yu Pin Yin to her. I bought the first Han Yu Pin Yin flashcards when she was 1 year old. I kept it and only took it out recently. Parents can go to Popular to buy the flash cards from the Primary school Chinese textbooks. Alternatively, you can go to MOE website to download the list of Chinese words that a child needs to know in primary school. I think it's classified under syllabus section.