NUS law prof in CPIB probe over exchanging grades for sex

[AC_Power]

Just relax:

The difficulty for prosecution is to show that gifts=better grades, otherwise accepting gifts just shows poor judgment by Tey. Even the affair is poor judgment by Tey, unless affair=better grades. Accepting gifts or affair with students is a disciplinary issue and employee (Tey) can be punished including suspension or dismissal depending on severity. When does accepting gifts or affair become a crime? when it is an attempt to corrupt. Then for it to be corrupt somebody must have made the 1st move that had the corrupt intent, was it Tey or Ko? Or neither in which case no crime.

This is a common misconception. Please read my post couple of pages back.

For a corruption case to stand, the prosecution only needs to prove 2 things:
1) The person receiving the gratification is in the position of power or influence over the person offering the gratification;
2) The person has indeed received the gratification.

In this case, Tey clearly can influence DK's grades and Tey clearly had received the gratification. Prosecution has proven their case. Now it is left to Tey to prove that what he has no corrupted intent when receiving the gifts and having sex with her.

[phtthp]

AC_Power:

For a corruption case to stand, the prosecution only needs to prove 2 things:
1) The person receiving the gratification is in the position of power or influence over the person offering the gratification;

2) The person has indeed received the gratification.

In this case, Tey clearly can influence DK's grades and Tey clearly had received the gratification. Prosecution has proven their case. Now it is left to Tey to prove that what he has no corrupted intent when receiving the gifts and having sex with her.

u are right.
because under PCA, that is how they define \"coruption\" below :-

\"Under Section 6 of the PCA, a corruption offence is committed :-

a.\tan agent corruptly accepts or obtains, or agrees to accept or attempts to obtain, from any person, for himself or for any other person, any gratification as an inducement or reward for doing or forbearing to do, or for having done or forborne to do, any act in relation to his principal's affairs or business, or for showing or forbearing to show favour or disfavour to any person in relation to his principal's affairs or business;

b.\tany person corruptly gives or agrees to give or offers any gratification to any agent as an inducement or reward for doing or forbearing to do, or for having done or forborne to do any act in relation to his principal's affairs or business, or for showing or forbearing to show favour or disfavour to any person in relation to his principal's affairs or business; or

c. ...

Anyone found guilty of an offence under Section 5 or 6 of the PCA shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $100,000/- or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or to both.\"

info source :-
http://app.cpib.gov.sg/cpib_new/user/default.aspx?pgID=204

[janet88]

AC_Power:

In this case, Tey clearly can influence DK's grades and Tey clearly had received the gratification. Prosecution has proven their case. Now it is left to Tey to prove that what he has no corrupted intent when receiving the gifts and having sex with her.

He received those gifts and sex (twice). It's hard to believe he has no corrupt intention. Tey has been reduced to a nervous wreck.

[phtthp]

janet_lee88:

He received those gifts and sex (twice). It's hard to believe he has no corrupt intention. Tey has been reduced to a nervous wreck.

frankly, i dun see how is he able to get out of this fix ?

[winchester]

janet_lee88:

He received those gifts and sex (twice). It's hard to believe he has no corrupt intention. Tey has been reduced to a nervous wreck.

lol all that vomiting, that funny traditional costume on first few days, creepy stare into the tv camera like a crazy man, and dont know what else drama nonsense, he is a joke, maybe he even want to plead insanity and not corrupt! like watching bad tcs drama.

[janet88]

He claimed he sobbed, he begged and was scolded vulgarities at CPIB. Yet faced with the 4 officers, he was as timid as a mouse. Where was his pride?

Maybe he needs to recuperate at IMH for all the panic attacks and hyperventilating episodes in court.

[Just relax]

AC_Power:

Just relax:

The difficulty for prosecution is to show that gifts=better grades, otherwise accepting gifts just shows poor judgment by Tey. Even the affair is poor judgment by Tey, unless affair=better grades. Accepting gifts or affair with students is a disciplinary issue and employee (Tey) can be punished including suspension or dismissal depending on severity. When does accepting gifts or affair become a crime? when it is an attempt to corrupt. Then for it to be corrupt somebody must have made the 1st move that had the corrupt intent, was it Tey or Ko? Or neither in which case no crime.

This is a common misconception. Please read my post couple of pages back.

For a corruption case to stand, the prosecution only needs to prove 2 things:
1) The person receiving the gratification is in the position of power or influence over the person offering the gratification;
2) The person has indeed received the gratification.

In this case, Tey clearly can influence DK's grades and Tey clearly had received the gratification. Prosecution has proven their case. Now it is left to Tey to prove that what he has no corrupted intent when receiving the gifts and having sex with her.

U have misunderstood what I have said, it still goes back to intent.

Today the Prosecution asked the question in submission what was Ng Boon Gay's intent when receiving oral sex and that is what I had highlighted in my post. Referring to the statute is not enough as the Court's in the past have always asked the question what was the intent of the receiver (Tey).

If the intent was to merely have fun then there is no corruption, if the intent was to help her grades then it is corruption. In a criminal case you have to show a criminal intent in addition to doing the act.

[fruittypie]

janet_lee88:

He claimed he sobbed, he begged and was scolded vulgarities at CPIB. Yet faced with the 4 officers, he was as timid as a mouse. Where was his pride?

Maybe he needs to recuperate at IMH for all the panic attacks and hyperventilating episodes in court.

LOL

[Way2GO]

Just relax:

AC_Power:

[quote=\"Just relax\"]The difficulty for prosecution is to show that gifts=better grades, otherwise accepting gifts just shows poor judgment by Tey. Even the affair is poor judgment by Tey, unless affair=better grades. Accepting gifts or affair with students is a disciplinary issue and employee (Tey) can be punished including suspension or dismissal depending on severity. When does accepting gifts or affair become a crime? when it is an attempt to corrupt. Then for it to be corrupt somebody must have made the 1st move that had the corrupt intent, was it Tey or Ko? Or neither in which case no crime.

This is a common misconception. Please read my post couple of pages back.

For a corruption case to stand, the prosecution only needs to prove 2 things:
1) The person receiving the gratification is in the position of power or influence over the person offering the gratification;
2) The person has indeed received the gratification.

In this case, Tey clearly can influence DK's grades and Tey clearly had received the gratification. Prosecution has proven their case. Now it is left to Tey to prove that what he has no corrupted intent when receiving the gifts and having sex with her.

U have misunderstood what I have said, it still goes back to intent.

Today the Prosecution asked the question in submission what was Ng Boon Gay's intent when receiving oral sex and that is what I had highlighted in my post. Referring to the statute is not enough as the Court's in the past have always asked the question what was the intent of the receiver (Tey).

If the intent was to merely have fun then there is no corruption, if the intent was to help her grades then it is corruption. In a criminal case you have to show a criminal intent in addition to doing the act.[/quote]While its generally taken dat intent must be proven by prosecution in criminal cases, it does not apply to corruption cases under PCA.
AC Power is correct.
d onus is on d accused to prove dat there is no corrupt intent.

[Way2GO]

phtthp:

AC_Power:

For a corruption case to stand, the prosecution only needs to prove 2 things:
1) The person receiving the gratification is in the position of power or influence over the person offering the gratification;

2) The person has indeed received the gratification.

In this case, Tey clearly can influence DK's grades and Tey clearly had received the gratification. Prosecution has proven their case. Now it is left to Tey to prove that what he has no corrupted intent when receiving the gifts and having sex with her.

u are right.
because under PCA, that is how they define \"coruption\" below :-

\"Under Section 6 of the PCA, a corruption offence is committed :-

a.\tan agent corruptly accepts or obtains, or agrees to accept or attempts to obtain, from any person, for himself or for any other person, any gratification as an inducement or reward for doing or forbearing to do, or for having done or forborne to do, any act in relation to his principal's affairs or business, or for showing or forbearing to show favour or disfavour to any person in relation to his principal's affairs or business;

b.\tany person corruptly gives or agrees to give or offers any gratification to any agent as an inducement or reward for doing or forbearing to do, or for having done or forborne to do any act in relation to his principal's affairs or business, or for showing or forbearing to show favour or disfavour to any person in relation to his principal's affairs or business; or

c. ...

Anyone found guilty of an offence under Section 5 or 6 of the PCA shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $100,000/- or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or to both.\"

info source :-
http://app.cpib.gov.sg/cpib_new/user/default.aspx?pgID=204

d appropriate section shd be Section 8, Chp 241 of PCA.