Are you ready for 7 million people on tiny Singapore?
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We can count on Chief to set up a kiasugrandparents forum for us, cheers, folks.
Let’s go bury our heads chor kang, ciao! -
Incidentally, how many of us actually read the white paper? :scratchhead:
I read around 50% of the paper, parts that interest me.
In case anybody is interested, here's the link:
http://202.157.171.46/whitepaper/downloads/population-white-paper.pdf -
sinoboy:
The ability to migrate applies to both sides of the argument.
Whether it could be 7m or 8m, migration is certainly an option for some. While some can freely change their minds to migrate if circumstances change in their home country, not all will have the ability or resources to consider a migration. Usually the dream target country would have high bars to prevent undesired immigrants to flood their shores. Even if those requirements are met, competing and securing a job locally and buying a property to live in would be somewhat daunting and challenging. But most importantly not all countries reciprocate our warm treatment to FT by embracing us. How then to migrate even if I want to? :scratchhead:
What if in the future, due to low population growth and ageing, Singapore loses it's lustre and becomes a sleepy backwater? Who then, will be worse off?
The well heeled and connected, with overseas investments? Or the laobaixing who have to make do with whatever the local economic conditions are? You want a situation where the young and mobile have to relocate in order to find high value jobs, escape high taxes, and leave the old folks and the less well qualified behind? -
While 7m seems like a mind boggling numbers, we really need to look deeper into the reports and see what we as singaporean are willing to do or compromise on.
This report is done with certain assumptions on life expectancy, birth rates, economic growth, inflation, productivity, etc etc. We may need to break it down in detail and see which one of these levers have the most impact on the population size. And then we make the necessary adjustments. Example, if we see that economic growth and productivity make the most impact on population, then we should come to a consensus on what economic growth do we want, lowering it would lower the number of people needed to drive the economy, then productivity, can we work on it to increase productivity and hence rely less on people?
Or if birth rate is an issue (which the government has been telling us all along that it is and will continue to be), then come on, we need to help ourselves. While lamenting that cost of living is high and dont want to give birth etc…this is not helping at all. It just make it worse for us…and hence we will continue to spiral downwards… -
Found this on Corrinne May fb:
(source: http://www.facebook.com/corrinnemaymusic)
If the Singapore government is looking at increasing the population of Singapore and increasing the dismal birthrate, they should take a good look at the abortion laws in Singapore.
In 2007, The Singapore Health Ministry recorded 11,933 abortions. That's 11,933 babies that Singapore could have had. The irony is that only Singaporeans or PRs can have an abortion in Singapore. Foreigners are not allowed to do so.
And I still can't believe that parental consent is not required for minors to have an abortion. The irony is that parental consent is required for BCG vaccinations in primary school, but a 12 year old doesn't need one for an abortion, which carries so many more health risks?
Abortion was legalized in Singapore in 1970. Prior to that it was a criminal offence. That change in the law unfortunately went hand in hand with Singapore's population control policies of the 70's, and my generation remembers the slogan often touted in the media at that time, ie. \"Two is Enough\".
Now the situation is drastically different and Singapore desperately needs more babies. We should look at ways to help more women keep their unborn babies and not abort them. Since Singaporeans often pick up new habits through educational campaigns (think of the 'courtesy campaign' for eg., and the 'please flush the loo' campaign) There needs to be some educational directive that helps women understand how precious every life is. And I'm not kidding when I say that we should start an 'Every Baby is Precious' campaign. -
concern2:
I agree 100% that more should be done to 1) Prevent unwanted pregnancies, 2) Encourage/Help women who are pregnant but cannot for whatever reason keep their babies, carry to term and not abort.Found this on Corrinne May fb:
(source: http://www.facebook.com/corrinnemaymusic)
If the Singapore government is looking at increasing the population of Singapore and increasing the dismal birthrate, they should take a good look at the abortion laws in Singapore.
In 2007, The Singapore Health Ministry recorded 11,933 abortions. That's 11,933 babies that Singapore could have had. The irony is that only Singaporeans or PRs can have an abortion in Singapore. Foreigners are not allowed to do so.
And I still can't believe that parental consent is not required for minors to have an abortion. The irony is that parental consent is required for BCG vaccinations in primary school, but a 12 year old doesn't need one for an abortion, which carries so many more health risks?
Abortion was legalized in Singapore in 1970. Prior to that it was a criminal offence. That change in the law unfortunately went hand in hand with Singapore's population control policies of the 70's, and my generation remembers the slogan often touted in the media at that time, ie. \"Two is Enough\".
Now the situation is drastically different and Singapore desperately needs more babies. We should look at ways to help more women keep their unborn babies and not abort them. Since Singaporeans often pick up new habits through educational campaigns (think of the 'courtesy campaign' for eg., and the 'please flush the loo' campaign) There needs to be some educational directive that helps women understand how precious every life is. And I'm not kidding when I say that we should start an 'Every Baby is Precious' campaign. -
I believe in the law of nature, if there is more room for population to grow, the nation birth rate will increase, may be due to lower housing cost (because more space), less congestion & competition, and less stress, just like in the 80’s.
On the contrary, with over population, higher cost and high stress of living, its only natural that the birth rate decrease. Aren’t we experiencing it now?
Actually, I more concern about the livelihood of our future generation. -
10 Most Densely Populated Cities.....(should be countries)
Singapore is No2 during 2011....
Now I assume we are now No 1......
Happy..., Proud??? Everything also No 1...
I am just a number .....in the calculation....
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5i6jRbHRz0][/youtube] -
concern2:
However, as the cents counting scrooge that our government is well known to be, they wouldn't welcome a flood of parentless babies...\"who is going to pay for bringing up these babies\"...they will certainly think.Found this on Corrinne May fb:
(source: http://www.facebook.com/corrinnemaymusic)
If the Singapore government is looking at increasing the population of Singapore and increasing the dismal birthrate, they should take a good look at the abortion laws in Singapore.
In 2007, The Singapore Health Ministry recorded 11,933 abortions. That's 11,933 babies that Singapore could have had. The irony is that only Singaporeans or PRs can have an abortion in Singapore. Foreigners are not allowed to do so.
And I still can't believe that parental consent is not required for minors to have an abortion. The irony is that parental consent is required for BCG vaccinations in primary school, but a 12 year old doesn't need one for an abortion, which carries so many more health risks?
Abortion was legalized in Singapore in 1970. Prior to that it was a criminal offence. That change in the law unfortunately went hand in hand with Singapore's population control policies of the 70's, and my generation remembers the slogan often touted in the media at that time, ie. \"Two is Enough\".
Now the situation is drastically different and Singapore desperately needs more babies. We should look at ways to help more women keep their unborn babies and not abort them. Since Singaporeans often pick up new habits through educational campaigns (think of the 'courtesy campaign' for eg., and the 'please flush the loo' campaign) There needs to be some educational directive that helps women understand how precious every life is. And I'm not kidding when I say that we should start an 'Every Baby is Precious' campaign. -
WeiHan:
However, as the cents counting scrooge that our government is well known to be, they wouldn't welcome a flood of parentless babies...\"who is going to pay for bringing up these babies\"...they will certainly think.
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